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Ntt has 320k employees. I wonder what the other 290 will think?
by samfisher83 4y ago
Ntt has 320k employees. I wonder what the other 290 will think?
- mkl95 4y agoIn Southern Europe NTT is mostly a bodyshop. Their target demographic is junior engineers willing to do unpaid overtime for abysmal pay. Pretty sure remote work doesn't make a big difference.
- drnonsense42 4y agoIf you’re doing a lot of extra hours, not having to commute and getting some peace makes a huge difference in making it sustainable.
- permalac 4y agoBut if you work for them in Barcelona the salary is still pretty bad.
- DeathArrow 4y agoHow bad is pretty bad?
- oblio 4y agoI don't know about NTT, but salaries for software devs are really low in general. Think €30-40k per year. How FAANG are not leveraging such a poorly paid workforce in countries with a great climate, developed, safe, etc, I will never know.
- ben_w 4y agoI think the sort of person FAANG wants to hire, knows how much they can get from moving and has either already relocated or found remote work.
- DeathArrow 4y agoDo FAANG hire remote developers?
- KerrAvon 4y agoThey do. At least some of the FAANG have important software development offices in Japan.
- DeathArrow 4y agoThe parent was speaking about Spain, not Japan.
- bamboozled 4y agoBecause any good talent leaves Japan immediately for the USA as soon as they can for better pay and a more relaxed life?
- DeathArrow 4y agoParent was talking about Spain, not Japan. And as a foreigner I think it's very hard to get a working visa in the US.
- geodel 4y agoYeah, FAANG can just hire all the engineers at NTT, all these Indian IT outsourcing companies, European tech companies and other I might have missed. I mean for christ sake this is 2022. If every CRUD micro services peddler and every network engineer who solves 5 firewall opening issues in a day couldn't get USD 200K / year for 6 hr work day, free food and drinks, onsite laundry, massage, haircut and medical checkup. What is the point of even living on this polluted earth.
- DeathArrow 4y agoWhy do you think software developers in the rest of the world are worse than their US peers?
- DeathArrow 4y agoThat's low. In Romania FAANGs aren't paying better salaries than market average, so the only incentive to work for a FAANG is to have it on your CV, stay 2 years and find better employment. FAANGs get it really cheap here as they pay 10x lower wages than in the US.
- oblio 4y agoRomania doesn't have Netflix, Apple, Facebook and barely has Google through Fitbit.
- Arcanum-XIII 4y agoCan confirm, having the dubious joy of working with them.
- grapeskin 4y agoThat’s the reality for big Japanese tech companies. They pay you in reputation, and reputation doesn’t transfer to other big corps since they see frequent job changes (sometimes capped at twice in a lifetime) as a red flag and won’t hire people.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoIf the reputation has no utility for the employee, why would the employee accept payment in the form of reputation? Is the employee oblivious to the lack of utility of reputation?
- 55555 4y agoReputation provides utility in other ways. For example, social status and respect from others.
- quartesixte 4y agoSocial reputation is still big in Japan. Reputation is also highly correlated with company stability in Japan. Such reputation buys you things like A) easier time attracting a future spouse B) respect in certain social circles and transactions, transferrable to your partner and children (yes this is a thing) C) a network of individuals also “smart and hardworking” like you
- bobthepanda 4y agoThere's a couple of things not mentioned here. Due to the more or less deflationary economy, Japanese wages have not increased for the better part of three decades. (Deflating prices mean that even with stagnant wages, you're still able to buy more.) Job hopping is unlikely to actually result in increased wages. (Inflation is now coming to Japan due to the general global inflation from the war in Ukraine, so that will be an interesting scenario to watch.) Japan is a heavily reputation based society. In the way that US uses credit score to determine a lot of things, Japan uses this sort of reputation as a proxy to determine eligibility for many things. As a general example, finding in apartment in Japan requires a guarantor (essentially a cosigner who agrees to act as a fallback option in case you can't pay) and landlords want a Japanese national person or entity to do it most of the time. https://blog.gaijinpot.com/what-is-a-rental-guarantor/ https://blog.gaijinpot.com/what-is-a-rental-guarantor/
- geodel 4y agoIn US too, it is close to a bodyshop. In fact I had friends there who would get full or partial work from home in 2014 or so. Not sure about pay as I didn't check. I was more enamored by WFH as I had to commute 2-3 hrs/day daily for work in those days.
- midasuni 4y ago“ The telecom company has said it is considering allowing all 320,000 employees of the NTT group worldwide to work remotely.”
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- scollet 4y agoFull remote.