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I have honestly, earnestly tried. I have tried to find a laptop that is for my needs and purposes truly equivalent to an Apple Macbook Pro. Or better. I always

I have honestly, earnestly tried. I have tried to find a laptop that is for my needs and purposes truly equivalent to an Apple Macbook Pro. Or better. I always end up going with an Apple machine. There has always been a significant part of the assembly that just isn’t as good. It’s often disk speed or display quality. Build quality too. I want to underline that this is true for what I need out of a laptop. The opposite has been true in desktops. I have a Ryzen 3900X box and there still isn’t anything from Apple that I would replace it with. Not even to run macOS on it (which I do on the AMD box, using GPU passthrough).

JimmyAustin 4y ago
Depending on your workload, the Mac Studio would be the replacement for a 3900X box. It's not a GPU powerhouse, and lacks expandability though.
- AnthonBerg 4y ago
  That’s exactly it :)
microtonal 4y ago
The opposite has been true in desktops. I have a Ryzen 3900X box and there still isn’t anything from Apple that I would replace it with. Not even to run macOS on it (which I do on the AMD box, using GPU passthrough). My MacBook Pro 14" is pretty much on-par with my Ryzen 5900X CPU-wise (the M1 Ultra would surpass it by a wide margin). The GPU of the M1 Max is nothing to sneeze at, but I'd love it if they'd bring eGPU support to the M1 line. (And if one can dream, if NVIDIA would also make CUDA available.)
- floatboth 4y ago
  > the M1 Ultra would surpass it by a wide margin Well, in which tasks? Comparing e.g. geekbench results for the M1 Ultra https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14664498 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14664498 and a decent 5950X (PBO) result https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14665931 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14665931 it looks like a lot of Apple's multicore score is attributable to AES (which uses special fixed-function HW). And with other tests, different CPUs win different benchmarks. 5950X notably wins in clang :) > bring eGPU support to the M1 line Probably not M1. marcan tweeted recently that Apple's PCIe integration has been is broken in the same way as on Broadcom's RPi4 SoC — mapping PCIe BARs as normal memory (which allows unaligned access) doesn't work. I can't find the tweet (deleted??) but here's the RPi thread: https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-pcie-devices/issues/4 https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-pcie-devices/iss... Basically there's no quick kernel level workaround for this, if you really want a GPU to work on such a broken platform you need to patch every single thing in userspace to avoid unaligned access. We'll see soon if that's fixed in M2, but I suspect they don't care…
  - floatboth 4y ago
    (err, tweet is https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1534825580801433600 https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1534825580801433600)
- AnthonBerg 4y ago
  No contest! – The thing is mostly that I can mess with the Ryzen box, and run a bunch of different OS-es at full speed, and use various add-in hardware like video cards.

JimmyAustin 4y ago

Depending on your workload, the Mac Studio would be the replacement for a 3900X box. It's not a GPU powerhouse, and lacks expandability though.

AnthonBerg 4y ago
That’s exactly it :)

microtonal 4y ago

The opposite has been true in desktops. I have a Ryzen 3900X box and there still isn’t anything from Apple that I would replace it with. Not even to run macOS on it (which I do on the AMD box, using GPU passthrough). My MacBook Pro 14" is pretty much on-par with my Ryzen 5900X CPU-wise (the M1 Ultra would surpass it by a wide margin). The GPU of the M1 Max is nothing to sneeze at, but I'd love it if they'd bring eGPU support to the M1 line. (And if one can dream, if NVIDIA would also make CUDA available.)

floatboth 4y ago
> the M1 Ultra would surpass it by a wide margin Well, in which tasks? Comparing e.g. geekbench results for the M1 Ultra https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14664498 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14664498 and a decent 5950X (PBO) result https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14665931 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/14665931 it looks like a lot of Apple's multicore score is attributable to AES (which uses special fixed-function HW). And with other tests, different CPUs win different benchmarks. 5950X notably wins in clang :) > bring eGPU support to the M1 line Probably not M1. marcan tweeted recently that Apple's PCIe integration has been is broken in the same way as on Broadcom's RPi4 SoC — mapping PCIe BARs as normal memory (which allows unaligned access) doesn't work. I can't find the tweet (deleted??) but here's the RPi thread: https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-pcie-devices/issues/4 https://github.com/geerlingguy/raspberry-pi-pcie-devices/iss... Basically there's no quick kernel level workaround for this, if you really want a GPU to work on such a broken platform you need to patch every single thing in userspace to avoid unaligned access. We'll see soon if that's fixed in M2, but I suspect they don't care…
- floatboth 4y ago
  (err, tweet is https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1534825580801433600 https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1534825580801433600)
AnthonBerg 4y ago
No contest! – The thing is mostly that I can mess with the Ryzen box, and run a bunch of different OS-es at full speed, and use various add-in hardware like video cards.