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New in Reader: a fresh design, and Google+ sharing
- zmanian 15y agoSort by magic seems to be intermittently breaking. Or more accurately the ordering of items seems to be changing dramatically on refresh.
- ambirex 15y agoOne early criticism (aside from the sharing bugaboo) is the header is larger making the allowable reading area much smaller. the topmost the feed content can be read is ~193px from the top of the browser. And you can't scroll down because of the way the page it built. Here is what firebug told me: 29px - account bar 59px - search bar 73px - feed toolbar 32px - feed title bar (in the reading pane)
- oldstrangers 15y agoMy biggest complaint is they tampered with the scroll bar. It's way too small now and only functions as an aesthetic touch... The regular scroll bar works perfectly fine.
- rryan 15y agoOne of the greatest parts about Reader is that you don't need a mouse at all. Try using the keyboard shortcuts. (Hit Shift-? for a helpful overview)
- oldstrangers 15y agoI'm strangely addicted to my mouse. Must be all the years of gaming. The range of movement is minuscule compared to using the keyboard.
- notatoad 15y agopress the f key.
- levesque 15y agoI'm impressed by how clean this functionality is. Definitely less annoyed by the waste of space now!
- wvl 15y agoThe problem with that mode is that the content area becomes way too wide. With a 1024-1280 px wide browser window, the sidebar makes the content area an acceptable width for comfortable reading.
- edderly 15y agoMore bars than Dublin...I agree, the waste of space is annoying. I can't even think of the last time I wanted to search my RSS feeds and it's taking up a chunk of space. On a 13inch Macbook add the Mac App bar, Chrome (tabs + search-url + bookmarks toolbar) a third of the readable area is covered with "bars".
- bergie 15y agoYep, with GNOME3 and Firefox, the new Google Reader takes some 326 of my 768 vertical pixels before we get to the actual article I'm reading
- seltzered_ 15y agosame setup, i used the minimalist reader plugin to make life easier: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pgpppbiipcfcldpgcjlhoehdffdjjall https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pgpppbiipcfcldpgcj... NOTE: I haven't checked to see if this plugin still works on the new google reader design.
- edderly 15y agoThankyou! It does appear to work.
- glenstein 15y agoI am very annoyed at the waste of space, waiting for a new Google Reader Absolutely Compact extension for Opera. That said, I frequently search my RSS feeds. To my surprise, there's often lots of very informing stuff on economic/political questions I might search about; it's like consulting my own private network of expert commentary, and is often more useful to me than google search.
- anigbrowl 15y agoFor real. It's even worse in Google groups. I realized this a few months ago during the Chromebook beta test; Everything is a toolbar, and Chrome is giving me UI fatigue.
- wvl 15y agoThat was my exact reaction -- barely usable on my 1280x800 screen. Until there's a better user style out there, this css makes the theme much better for me, by hiding the search bar and the feed toolbar: #top-bar { display: none; } #viewer-header { display: none; }
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- vladimirm 15y agoI was going to say the same thing. I took a screenshot and looked at the space. The actual content uses about 80% of the width and 70% of the height of my screen. Ideally, they could've moved a lot of stuff to the sidebar to avoid the four bars you also mention.
- pieter 15y agoI don't really care anymore about the design of Google Reader. The only thing I use it for is for syncing my read items between my different reader apps (like Reeder for iPad). As long as they keep supporting that I'm fine, but this seems like a service anyone could implement in case they stop the API access.
- amjith 15y agoI hope there is enough contrast between unread and read items. It took me a while to get used to the gmail overhaul with their new design. But integration with plus is definitely a welcome change. More often than not, I've decided against sharing simply because it's inappropriate to everyone following me.
- algorithms 15y ago"A new Android application will follow soon."
- squealingrat 15y agoSigh. I like the redesign (it's about time!) but I hate that they're turning off sharing. I use that to run my link blog, and now I'll have to figure out another workaround.
- icebraining 15y agoWell, you can create a new Tag, then go to "Details and Statistics" in the arrow right next to the Tag and get the feed URL for it. Then you can import that to your blog, and every item you put in that Tag will appear.
- hosh 15y agoSharing works. Sharing just does not work without publicly +1 the reader item. (This is a big -1 for me).
- levesque 15y agoYeah, I am quite annoyed by that as well. What's the point?
- sahaj 15y agoAs the current top comment notes: You click the "Share..." button on the G+ (black)bar.
- squealingrat 15y agoTrue, but the issue there is that it now takes about 4 mouse clicks that used to be a single shortcut. To set this link blog (squealingrat.org/new) up all I needed to do was feed my Google Reader shared items into the Wordpress blog.
- hosh 15y agoOh wow. UI fail. I missed that completely. Thanks for mentioning it.
- GBKS 15y agoThe new design is definitely cleaner and consistent with other Google products, but it is not a design focused on providing a great reading experience (as the product name "Reader" suggests). It is basically the Gmail layout and interaction model, just different content. I wish Google had taken an approach that deeply focused on the content first (as Flipboard does).
- phillmv 15y agoKEEPING IN MIND that I generally hate people who whine every time every thing changes, as someone who is fairly invested in Google Reader, it pains me that this has been a UI step backwards. It's lot less usable; defaulting every link to black, like the rest of the interface, makes scanning for links really painful, and there's still a good 130px of useless interface chrome that is taking up space for no good reason. Blargh! Looks like I'm going to be loading some custom stylesheets very soon.
- parfe 15y agohttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ I haven't set up a style for google reader (yet) but Stylish extension for Firefox does a good job letting me customize sites. I don't use it on every site, but places I view regularly I tweak. I have a style for news.yc http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3085416 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3085416
- delackner 15y agoThank you! After installing Stylish they had a style already prepared to fix reader: http://userstyles.org/styles/55550/google-reader-g-edition-more-vertical-space http://userstyles.org/styles/55550/google-reader-g-edition-m...
- ktsmith 15y agoThis was exactly what I was looking for. I did make one addition to mark the read items. .read > .card { border: 1px solid #f357a1 !important; } Adds a pinkish border around the cards of read items.
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- andybak 15y agoSee my other comment. I made the same mistake. You have to click the share button in the top-right.
- andybak 15y agoTook me a while to realise that you had to click the share button in the far top right to share the currently viewed item. The physical separation between the item you're sharing and the screen element you have to click to share it strikes me as rather counter-intuitive.
- barrkel 15y agoWoah. I kept looking for this share button you were talking about - I completely blanked on the actual Google header bar, which at this point I've mentally "edited out" on Google sites. My first thought was that that button would do something stupid - that it would share "Google Reader", not the currently viewed post. My problem with the new Reader is the lack of visual indication of read vs unread items.
- po 15y agoMy problem with the new Reader is the lack of visual indication of read vs unread items. Yeah, I had a few people complaining in my twitter timeline and I thought, "Everyone always bitches when something new gets rolled out. It can't be that bad, come on." I logged in and I wasn't impressed but it was he lack of read vs. unread that pushed me over the edge. Here's the main kicker of that: What's the point of marking the unread count on the left hand sidebar if there's no way to see which ones in the main view? This is what makes me think it's half-baked. They half-removed a feature.
- DanielRibeiro 15y agoI liked the search by shared items. Thankfully I always star and share, therefore I can still search (Google +1's search is pathetic, as it is non-existent). Still wish they'd give +1 a search tool, and make all the previously shared items shared on Google+. But then again, this is power-user wishlist, and Google has been moving away from us. This is not so bad for Google+, as it has an API, but it is terrible for Google Reader, as it still doesn't have an API. Guess this[1] issue was not starred enough on Google Code... [1] http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=29 http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=29
- thesethings 15y agoThe no-sharing/discovery thing has hit me hard. If anybody out there has a social RSS reader start-up, feel free to reply to this and advertise your service. I will drag my friends to it along with me. (Yes, I use Twitter, Instapaper, news aggregate sites, etc. Yes social software has changed how i would otherwise discover links/news. But I still need an RSS reader, and the passive sharing in old Google Reader is a layer of social that one takes for granted in almost any app. I get why they took it out (they think they're helping G+), but it doesn't work for me.)
- icebraining 15y agoWell, create a Tag, get that Tag's feed from its Details and Statistics page, then your friends can subscribe to it as any other feed.
- KTamas 15y agoThat's not the same. You still can't add a note and your friends can't comment on the item, for starters.
- thesethings 15y agoThanks for this cool idea :D I will set it up at least for now. But it doesn't solve the discovery part- having a place where I can see everything my friends are sharing- unless they do it too.
- atarian 15y agoIt looks cleaner, but overall it's less readable. The old Google Reader featured distinct boxes for each news article. But now Google got rid of this so the articles all sort of glue together and the only way to distinguish articles is by the focus effect and the headings. Also I'm not sure what prompted Google to move the star button from the left of the heading to the right. Titles are variable-length so it doesn't make sense to put a frequently used UI element in a position where it would constantly change..
- kisielk 15y agoLooks like the star button is now on the bottom left of the post instead, at least it is in my reader.
- monty_singh 15y agoThe inferior UI I could deal with, but eliminating note in reader? Deal breaker. And it seems they've deleted existing notes. Terrible.
- efraim 15y agoYou can export the existing notes from settings - import/export.
- jcampbell1 15y agoThis thing has an acre of useless interface and padding. With the rise of instapaper, safari reader, reeder, readability, etc, how did they possibly think more clutter was the right direction to go. I really think Google makes decisions like this: "The data says the search bar is only used occasionally. Okay, so that means it needs to be bigger so more people use it." Search in a reader is fine, but it needs to be about as prominent as "search this page" is in a browser.
- udfalkso 15y agoBack in 2007 I built a social RSS reader called Feed Each Other (http://feedeachother.com http://feedeachother.com). It was actually pretty good, but I had to give up on it because I ran out of money, Google Reader was slowly stealing all my features, and I found it very hard to convince people to switch from GR. It had stuff like: - "Circles" aka, letting you group your contacts however you like and see what each group shared with you and share stuff with all your contacts or just certain groups. - Feed and user discovery and recommendations. "People who read X also read:" and "Look who subscribes to this feed" type of thing. - Keyboard shortcuts, auto discovery, opml import/export etc. All the usual feed reader stuff. Check out this old intro video I made for it (social/interesting parts start around 1:40). The design in the video is out-dated though, it ended up looking like this, http://feedeachother.com/screenshot_500.png http://feedeachother.com/screenshot_500.png. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Ltwh4AO_w&feature=youtu.be#t=97 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Ltwh4AO_w&feature=youtu... Maybe I should turn it back on? Any takers?
- squealingrat 15y agoSomeone should tell the GReader guys.... http://cl.ly/BRqw http://cl.ly/BRqw
- Codayus 15y agoThe lack of contrast between read and unread items ridiculous. The following custom CSS makes it bearable: #entries .entry .card-common { background: #eee} #entries .entry .card-actions { background: #eee } #entries .entry.read .card-common { background: #fff} #entries .entry.read .card-actions { background: #fff }
- chimeracoder 15y agoI must say, this new design is much less readable. I'll probably end up abandoning the web interface altogether and reverting to using Google Reader simply to synchronize my feeds across platforms. Back when I used WIndows, I used FeedReader, but I'm not sure what other programs are out there for Linux or Android that sync with Google Reader.
- cpeterso 15y agoHow do I turn my friends' Google+ posts into RSS that can be consumed by Google Reader? Google+ does not seem to advertise RSS feeds. Someone wrote an AppEngine service [1] to transcode Google+ to RSS, but they shut it down after Google raised the AppEngine feeds. [1] http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/13/google-plus-rss-feeds/ http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/13/google-plus-rss-feeds/
- abraham 15y agoA Googler on the G+ developer group said that atom support is planned. Until then there is: http://plusfeed2.appspot.com/ http://plusfeed2.appspot.com/
- cpeterso 15y agoThanks! I thought I was going to have to deploy the plusfeed code on my own server. :D
- cpeterso 15y agobtw, I wrote this PlusFeed bookmarklet to open the appropriate PlusFeed2 URL for the Google+ user page you are looking: javascript:void(open("http://plusfeed2.appspot.com/"+location.href.match(/^https?:\/\/plus\.google\.com\/(\d{21})\/?.*$/)[1]));
- GraemeL 15y agoOverall, with the minimalistic Greasmonkey script, it's not bad. One thing that I don't like is that in expanded view, there is no visual indication to differentiate read from unread items. In list view, read items are grey. Why didn't they do something similar in expanded view? I keep having to look over at the unread count on the left.
- joebadmo 15y agoIt's crazy to me the amount of grousing about the Google Reader cheese-moving. The old system was an opaque, user-antagonistic, hacked-on mess. The new system (integration with +) is rational and a superset of the old system, as far as I can tell. I also choose to consider this as a precursor to many rational changes/extensions to Google Reader. Let me be clear: I am sooo glad that I can finally direct Google Reader shared items to specific groups, so I don't have to spam everyone who follows me with every single item, which pretty much guaranteed that 80% of my feed was irrelevant/stupid/boring to any given person. Now all I need are public, topical feeds that are subscribable/discoverable. RSS, in other words.
- rudyfink 15y agoA few thoughts after a some use: I was part of a community of people I liked, and now, after I clicked a button, that was gone. I miss those people already. I don't recall anything on the text that clearly said "oh yeah, stuff will be gone, including your friends, and we meant to do that." If I want to share now, I have to do so publicly with the Internet or click a "share" button way in the upper right and then build up groups. There does not seem to be an easy way to get my friends back and to get them into a reader feed. I apparently have to look at my G+ feed if a friend sends me an item. I do not seem to have any convenient way to filter out those useful posts from all the spam of G+. I had easy access to search a list of things that I had found interesting over the years, and now, I guess I'm going to have to find another program to even look at that. I do appreciate that it was not outright destroyed, so thanks for that kindness. Visually, I'm baffled. Apparently, grey and slightly darker grey are now visually effective colors for distinguishing things. I can, of course, adjust to this but overall it does not instill me with confidence. I am, obviously, now looking for a way back to what I had this morning. If someone figures that out, I'll thank them. If it's something that needs support, I'll support it.
- toyg 15y agoI don't know why they just didn't try to automatically convert the Readers categories of users into G+ circles, plus a button "not on G+? click here and join". Google -1 on this one. (and yeah, the new grey-on-grey style is really bad and depressing.)
- smokinn 15y agoI don't understand either. I fully expected them to add a new circle for me called "Google Reader Friends" or something but they didn't. Even better would've been in that popup saying hey look, something new! to give the option of creating that very circle. Very big and obvious oversight.
- redwood 15y agoGoogle has a lot of trouble connecting with end users, especially end users that aren't of the majority of their users (e.g. users who use more than just search and gmail). This is more confirmation.
- RexRollman 15y agoDoes using Reader now imply a membership in Google+? I am not interested in G+ but I would like to continue using Reader.
- gchucky 15y agoNot necessarily. You can use Reader now to read documents, but sharing is done through email, or pushed to G+.
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- neonkiwi 15y agoGoogle Reader circa yesterday provided an inbox-style interface for all of your content. A feed had read and unread items, and folders allowed you to compose macro-inboxes, and (this is the change) shared content was treated in the same way, if not better—new comments on this content would be clearly indicated, allowing for in-app discussions. Today, Google Reader has made shared content a second-class feed. With the removal of the inbox-style interface, if you miss a friend's shared item on Google Plus (possibly buried in other items), it's gone. The closest you can come to a 'mark as unread' functionality is through a work-around: creating a memberless 'save for later' circle, to share items with. Furthermore, shared content isn't even visible within Google Reader. I can't be alone in thinking this was a good interface for sharing articles. If anybody has an alternative RSS reader with this functionality, please let me know. I would pay for this, but I can see it being a tough sell generally. Conesus, I think you've mentioned in a different thread that you have social features in the pipeline: is this something you're aiming at?
- Kylekramer 15y agoFrom all the outrage, I'll learn that users will love (or perhaps just grow accustom to) an utterly broken and opaque system as long as it is left around to grow a community. If you used Google Reader's social features before, you impress the hell out of me. I never grokked a single element of it after many years of use. I think Google clearly needed to do something, and integration with G+ is an obvious move. Perhaps the transition could have been smoother, but I cannot really see how the old system was superior in any way except for a very tiny amount of traction.
- lukasb 15y agoWays in which the old system was superior: - You interacted with that subset of your friends (and their friends) that cared enough about reading to use this weird software. - You could read your hand-selected feeds, share items and read others' shares in the same place. It was social reading. Now the reading and the social aspect are divorced.
- Kylekramer 15y agoSeems like the first complaint is actually an improvement in the new version. You lose the reading focused only culture, but you gain the ability to have even better granularity. You can share stories with your sports buddies, work relevant info with your coworkers, local stuff with people in your area. Before, you were limited to a very niche group. Now, you can share with people who never even heard of Google Reader or RSS. And if you wanted, you could make an old Google Reader power readers circle. I think that is a fair trade off when you are talking about a Google scale application; I think this the main point everyone is missing, you aren't the typical user. If you were, Google Reader would be mentioned in the same breath as Twitter and Facebook. Divorcing the social aspect from the RSS reader makes sense. Social reading should be a subset of Google+, not a layer on top of Google Reader. Google should improve the reading articles aspect of Google+ (Sparks or whatever seemed DOA), yes, but the overarching concept is very sound.
- stock_toaster 15y agoalso * you could view the shared items and their comments in the same interface.
- _frog 15y agoI had a shot at redesigning the page to make better use of space and condense down the many, many toolbars. http://cl.ly/BRCs http://cl.ly/BRCs
- tristan_louis 15y agoSo I've been using this new Google Reader for a full hour now and here are a few observations. Note that my background with Google Reader is that I read 312 feeds through it and do end my day with 0 unreads. This means that, on most month, I consume about 30,000 stories, seldom clicking away from the reader itself as I read mostly full feeds. The first thing that struck me is how much slower this reader is. There seems to be a refresh on every new move forward, which was less noticeable on the previous version, if at all. There also seems to be a substantially slower response time, on the order of a couple of seconds. This is particularly noticeable if you read the HN firehose feed and try to "N" through the entries. The left column is mostly OK and it does seem cleaner than the previous version. The top is dreadful, with a new line taking about 20% of the screen real-estate. While this gives a more "airy" feeling to the Reader, this is at the cost of displaying less content on the page. This is the first glaring UI problem but it's not the worse. For some odd reason, they seem to have decided to limit the flexibility of the content in the feeds, with text stopping at about 800 pixels and the left of the space on the right being left blank. This creates a substantial imbalance on the screen and makes the whole look feel incomplete. Furthermore, it reduces information density per entry displayed. Starred is now a sharper edged icons, which is substantially less rounded than the previous version. The presence of 2 stars (one next to the title and one in the toolbar) makes one wonder which one should be used. That's confusing. The absence of share is a major bummer. In my previous workflow, I would click share (1 click) when I found something interesting and move on. I had setup an RSS reader that would pick up my shared items and pass them on to Twitter, Facebook, and others. This meant that 1 click allowed me to share to social networks without leaving Google Reader. In order to reproduce the same process, I can now "Send to" a service. To do so, I first click "Send to" and then click on the appropriate service, which opens another window. In that service, I can then press a button and share things through that service. I then close that service window and click on the Google Reader tab to get back to my Reader workflow. This is a total of 5 clicks where there once was 1. Doesn't strike me as much of an improvement. All and all, I have to say, Google Reader may be a fine upgrade for people who don't use RSS readers. But for anyone who's serious about consuming content over RSS, Google has done a substantial disservice by taking what was once a great service for power users and driving it into the ditch. The net-net of all this is that Google Reader, a service where I spent most of my online reading time will soon end up being replaced by another RSS reader (at least one more suited to my usage) and Google will lose a substantial amount of my online time in the process. I'm sure they won't mind (or even notice) but I suspect they will be surprised when a Google Reader replacement service arises away from them and finds a dedicated following.
- FilterJoe 15y agoProblem: Can no longer access old "notes" or "shared items" Solution: Turn them into "starred items" Details: You can only access notes or shared items from certain mobile or desktop clients. I don't know exactly which ones but the one I used was MobileRSS (iOS). Go into the "notes" folder and manually star every item (you don't need to star "shared" items because all of them are notes, but not all notes are shared items). If you want them in chronological order, you'll need to start with the oldest first, the second oldest second, etc. It took me less than 10 minutes to star my 131 items. If you don't do this, you can't view or search for anything in "notes" or "shared items." However, you CAN view and CAN search them so long as they are starred items. So far as I know, there is no longer a way to get content into Google Reader via the "Note in Reader" bookmarklet. It is no longer supported. This means that any site without an RSS feed cannot have any pages brought into Google Reader, so far as I can tell. I wonder if there is a service that turns a site into an RSS feed on the fly? Then you'd be able to subscribe temporarily and star the item. Probably not convenient enough to use as a read it later (or archive in Google Reader) service, as I've been doing for the past couple years. I've found that the easiest way to search for archive-worth web pages I've read years ago is to search my stash in Google Reader. Using a search engine doesn't always find old stuff which may be buried in search results or no longer on the web.
- mike_ivanov 15y agoSo how do I remove those two gargantuan toolbar-like thingies taking almost a third of my screen?
- anigbrowl 15y agoI think the sharing complaints are overblown (although common sense would have said that they should be ported over into a new G+ circle or something similar). I do think that Reader was badly in need of an overhaul and that bridging it with G+ will turn out to be a winner. But damn, that color scheme is oppressive. It's the New Web Brutalism. I hope that once everything Google is using the same design template they'll offer themes again and let you have one look across all Google products. This whitewash-and-grey with carefully rationed rectangles of primaries is depressing, like a grand opening in North Korea. I'm not saying that to be funny: looking at it makes me feel gloomy and want to do...something else. I'm using Google Docs less as well, for the same reason.
- mhw 15y agoHmm; they've also stopped supporting IE 7, which isn't good for those of us who sometimes inhabit corporate-lockdown-land.
- vilhelm_s 15y agoDear Google, here is what my screen looks like after the redesign: http://imgur.com/ppg4o http://imgur.com/ppg4o Notice that about a third of it is used up by various chrome. Now, I realize that every Google employee is issued two wall-sized hi-res screens the moment they step up to their desk, and quickly forgets what it was like to work using mere 21st-century technology. And if they ever use a laptop, it is always a sleek Chromebook which shows you a full-screen view of the web and a tiny, exquisitely designed window titlebar in a tasteful shade of blue. But for those of us still stuck outside the bubble, it sure would be nice to have a way to collapse some of that whitespace....
- wvl 15y agoI don't know why tristan_louis' comment is dead, but they bring up very good point, far more egregious than either the social sharing changes or the design and screen real estate issues: The first thing that struck me is how much slower this reader is. There seems to be a refresh on every new move forward, which was less noticeable on the previous version, if at all. There also seems to be a substantially slower response time, on the order of a couple of seconds. Reader is now painful to use, imo. I'm constantly waiting for it to catch up to my actions.