Sure...I never stated that self-sufficiency meant being alone. Hunter Gathers also had a relatively flat social hierarchy that was family & tribe oriented. The

Sure...I never stated that self-sufficiency meant being alone. Hunter Gathers also had a relatively flat social hierarchy that was family & tribe oriented. The elders & leaders had direct skin in the game. There was no middle management or social abstractions in Hunter Gatherer society. They were healthy, happy, had plenty of game to hunt, managed forests, & had little pollution. There was no large scale wars. They were self sufficient as a community. Now we have multi level hierarchical control systems where the people benefiting have no direct downside to causing harm to other people.