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John Gruber is even more guilty of this. Parrot / breakfast point and laugh: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/26/rms http://daringfireball.net/linked/

by frou_dh 15y ago

John Gruber is even more guilty of this. Parrot / breakfast point and laugh: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/26/rms http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/26/rms Linking to a site set up purely to mock Stallman: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/27/stallman-dialogues http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/27/stallman-dialogu... The latest episode of his podcast, about Stallman, is called "They Had to Burn the Sheets" (I haven't listened to it, but going by the title I think it's a safe assumption that it continues the theme): http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/27/the-talk-show-64 http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/27/the-talk-show-64

funkah 15y ago
Gruber is so openly contemptuous of Stallman that I find it hard to believe that Winer is focusing on Kottke instead. In the episode of the Talk Show you linked to, Gruber's co-host Dan Benjamin keeps trying to rein Gruber in from being unfair to Stallman. He shuts down Gruber from talking about the infamous foot-eating incident on multiple occasions. And yes, the title is indeed about Stallman; Gruber repeats some anecdotes he heard about Stallman's hygeine. He makes Kottke look downright generous. If you read what Winer is saying with Gruber in mind, it makes sense. But Kottke's entry strikes me as much more innocuous than Winer is making it out to be.
- there 15y ago
  maybe, like many of us, winer doesn't pay attention to gruber.
  - pandeiro 15y ago
    who?
  - funkah 15y ago
    In that case he should stop paying attention to Kottke too, problem solved.
    - hugh3 15y ago
      I've been reading HN for years, but I honestly have no idea who Kottke, Gruber, or Winer are. Who cares about this nth-level gossip about people who like to gossip about other people?
      - mdonahoe 15y ago
        Bloggers.
- joebadmo 15y ago
  The point that Winer was making was that Kottke once stood up for him (Winer) in the face of bullies, and here, he seems to be joining in the bullying instead. I suppose Gruber is just a small, mean-spirited bully of whom Winer has no special expectations.
morsch 15y ago
I think Stallman is fantastic; I couldn't care less about Gruber. I actually found the rider thing oddly fascinating and not at all crazy -- I actually read through the entire thing in a single sitting, but I still laughed involuntarily when I looked at The Stallman Dialogues (the "mock" site): Friendly conference organizer: I'm happy to have you stay at my house, Mr. Stallman. I hope you find the couch comfortable, I vacuumed all the cat hair off of it. And here, let me get you a fresh set of sheets. Stallman: Thank you. I like this much more than staying in a hotel. Friendly conference organizer: Great! Stallman: It's a bit warm in here, though. Friendly conference organizer: Is it? I guess I'm used to it. Stallman: Above 72 fahrenheit (22 centigrade) I find sleeping quite difficult. Friendly conference organizer: Well... I'll see if I have a fan? Stallman: If the air is dry, I can stand 23 degrees. Friendly conference organizer: I don't know if I have a dehumidifier. I'll go grab our fan... Stallman: Thank you. A strong electric fan blowing on me enables me to sleep.

by frou_dh 15y ago

funkah 15y ago

Gruber is so openly contemptuous of Stallman that I find it hard to believe that Winer is focusing on Kottke instead. In the episode of the Talk Show you linked to, Gruber's co-host Dan Benjamin keeps trying to rein Gruber in from being unfair to Stallman. He shuts down Gruber from talking about the infamous foot-eating incident on multiple occasions. And yes, the title is indeed about Stallman; Gruber repeats some anecdotes he heard about Stallman's hygeine. He makes Kottke look downright generous. If you read what Winer is saying with Gruber in mind, it makes sense. But Kottke's entry strikes me as much more innocuous than Winer is making it out to be.

there 15y ago
maybe, like many of us, winer doesn't pay attention to gruber.
- pandeiro 15y ago
  who?
- funkah 15y ago
  In that case he should stop paying attention to Kottke too, problem solved.
  - hugh3 15y ago
    I've been reading HN for years, but I honestly have no idea who Kottke, Gruber, or Winer are. Who cares about this nth-level gossip about people who like to gossip about other people?
    - mdonahoe 15y ago
      Bloggers.
joebadmo 15y ago
The point that Winer was making was that Kottke once stood up for him (Winer) in the face of bullies, and here, he seems to be joining in the bullying instead. I suppose Gruber is just a small, mean-spirited bully of whom Winer has no special expectations.

morsch 15y ago

I think Stallman is fantastic; I couldn't care less about Gruber. I actually found the rider thing oddly fascinating and not at all crazy -- I actually read through the entire thing in a single sitting, but I still laughed involuntarily when I looked at The Stallman Dialogues (the "mock" site): Friendly conference organizer: I'm happy to have you stay at my house, Mr. Stallman. I hope you find the couch comfortable, I vacuumed all the cat hair off of it. And here, let me get you a fresh set of sheets. Stallman: Thank you. I like this much more than staying in a hotel. Friendly conference organizer: Great! Stallman: It's a bit warm in here, though. Friendly conference organizer: Is it? I guess I'm used to it. Stallman: Above 72 fahrenheit (22 centigrade) I find sleeping quite difficult. Friendly conference organizer: Well... I'll see if I have a fan? Stallman: If the air is dry, I can stand 23 degrees. Friendly conference organizer: I don't know if I have a dehumidifier. I'll go grab our fan... Stallman: Thank you. A strong electric fan blowing on me enables me to sleep.