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Good thing there are thousands of other companies to work for that pay very well

scarface74 4y ago
There are “thousands” of companies that pay returning intern software engineers $175K+ a year in total comp? I know there are some companies that pay more. But not “thousands”.
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- MarkMarine 4y ago
  Probably 10s
- brianmcc 4y ago
  There are certainly thousands that pay very well. "Very well" is way broader than just Amazon-level rates. I don't think OP suggested specifically "same or better"?
  - scarface74 4y ago
    What is your definition of “very well”?
    - brianmcc 4y ago
      Does it need a definition? "A salary in the upper quartile per sector, location and experience level"?
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Compensation for software developers in the US is mostly bimodal. You either end up in enterprise dev (banks, government, other non tech companies) where you start out at around $60K and then on average max out at the mid $100s - ie the “Dark Matter developers” - or you end up working for a tech company where you start out in the mid 100s and max out at 400K-$500K+. The “1000s of jobs” are the enterprise dev jobs. And I’m not judging those. That’s what I did all of my career until a couple of years ago. If we are talking in the context of software engineers being paid “very well”, I don’t consider those to be a substitution
        brianmcc 4y ago
        That's an interesting perspective actually, thanks. Being UK based it's not really a thing here. Or maybe it is and I'm oblivious! In which case, point taken re the difference between simply 'well paid' and that very top tier.
        scarface74 4y ago
        This is the concept. These numbers are not US centric in the article. https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-salaries-in-the-netherlands-and-europe/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala...
        thebruce87m 4y ago
        Maybe ours is more: London / not London.
scollet 4y ago
Literal slave labour.
- htk 4y ago
  After taking a look at your comment history, it seems HN is not the place for you. Most of your messages are filled with anger and extremism.

There are “thousands” of companies that pay returning intern software engineers $175K+ a year in total comp? I know there are some companies that pay more. But not “thousands”.

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MarkMarine 4y ago
Probably 10s
brianmcc 4y ago
There are certainly thousands that pay very well. "Very well" is way broader than just Amazon-level rates. I don't think OP suggested specifically "same or better"?
- scarface74 4y ago
  What is your definition of “very well”?
  - brianmcc 4y ago
    Does it need a definition? "A salary in the upper quartile per sector, location and experience level"?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Compensation for software developers in the US is mostly bimodal. You either end up in enterprise dev (banks, government, other non tech companies) where you start out at around $60K and then on average max out at the mid $100s - ie the “Dark Matter developers” - or you end up working for a tech company where you start out in the mid 100s and max out at 400K-$500K+. The “1000s of jobs” are the enterprise dev jobs. And I’m not judging those. That’s what I did all of my career until a couple of years ago. If we are talking in the context of software engineers being paid “very well”, I don’t consider those to be a substitution
      - brianmcc 4y ago
        That's an interesting perspective actually, thanks. Being UK based it's not really a thing here. Or maybe it is and I'm oblivious! In which case, point taken re the difference between simply 'well paid' and that very top tier.
        scarface74 4y ago
        This is the concept. These numbers are not US centric in the article. https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-salaries-in-the-netherlands-and-europe/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala...
        thebruce87m 4y ago
        Maybe ours is more: London / not London.

scollet 4y ago

Literal slave labour.

htk 4y ago
After taking a look at your comment history, it seems HN is not the place for you. Most of your messages are filled with anger and extremism.