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What specifically have the verge reported on to make them lose credibility in your eyes? Personally I've got a bit tired of how often he comes up, but it's perf

by mojzu 4y ago

What specifically have the verge reported on to make them lose credibility in your eyes? Personally I've got a bit tired of how often he comes up, but it's perfectly understandable considering he's a very public personality with a large following who leads some large tech companies and says/does some very divisive and controversial things And one of Musks companies firing people for criticising him, when he's trying to buy Twitter claiming to want to change its policies because it isn't sufficiently pro-free-speech seems newsworthy to me

celdon25 4y ago
> What specifically have the verge reported on to make them lose credibility in your eyes? This article, for one. It looks like they shopped around to find people with law degrees and opinions, even though those opinions may not be much on their own. But when put together in a montage of quotes, you can get a real spin effect. You don't notice it? Motive (left-wing media) Means (spin doctor on call) Opportunity (Elon is public enemy number one with Trump all but out of the picture) But let's ignore the fact that at least some of the employees that got fired were sending emails to most or all of the employees, more than once, during company time with company equipment, to solicit assistance with the letter. I'm sure there's more to the story that will be revealed, and it's certainly too early to be declaring that someone has a case, so putting these misleading headlines out (even if ambiguously worded) is a big red flag.
- arolihas 4y ago
  Which of these lawyers is a spin doctor?
- staticautomatic 4y ago
  Shopping around for informed opinions is normal and should be expected. That said, I’ve been a legal commentator and the pressure to be aggressively sound-bitey is real. However, it’s often self-imposed by the expert and not always the reporter’s doing. I remember chatting with a Reuters reporter about the Uber/Lewandowski case and it was pretty clear that if I didn’t say something sexier, the article wouldn’t run. Yes, she was presumably under some pressure to find some sizzle, but I was also asking myself how badly I wanted to be quoted.
- JaimeThompson 4y ago
  Do we know for sure that the behavior that SpaceX says those employees did actually happened? All we have is a few quotes from SpaceX, not actual evidence but I could be wrong.
  - celdon25 4y ago
    You're suggesting that the official, public statement from the COO regarding the email activity was false? No chance. There are laws regarding email retention. The company stands to lose a lot while gaining little by releasing a false statement like that.
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
      When things like the incident below happen it does make me wonder if the COO fully knows everything that is going on at SpaceX. "In late March, SpaceX president Gwynne Shotwell told CNBC, "I don't think the US has given us any money to give terminals to the Ukraine." She also said that most of the funding came from private sources, and acknowledged some help from France and possibly Poland, according to CNBC." https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/spacex-starlink-terminals-sent-to-ukraine-cost-us-taxpayers-3m-report-says/ https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/spacex-starlink-terminals...
  - clifdweller 4y ago
    it really has less to do what they did than how it can be listed in their firing. if they sent an email to all spacex employees non work related during company hours they can mark that as 5 minutes wasted across whole company and grounds for firing. now it falls into the realm of cases that have been heard for union voting during company hours to the opposite end of spectrum of traveling to rallies and completely skipping out on work. so battle of who has the best lawyers/ if they choose easier to settle or make an example of them

by mojzu 4y ago

celdon25 4y ago

> What specifically have the verge reported on to make them lose credibility in your eyes? This article, for one. It looks like they shopped around to find people with law degrees and opinions, even though those opinions may not be much on their own. But when put together in a montage of quotes, you can get a real spin effect. You don't notice it? Motive (left-wing media) Means (spin doctor on call) Opportunity (Elon is public enemy number one with Trump all but out of the picture) But let's ignore the fact that at least some of the employees that got fired were sending emails to most or all of the employees, more than once, during company time with company equipment, to solicit assistance with the letter. I'm sure there's more to the story that will be revealed, and it's certainly too early to be declaring that someone has a case, so putting these misleading headlines out (even if ambiguously worded) is a big red flag.

arolihas 4y ago
Which of these lawyers is a spin doctor?
staticautomatic 4y ago
Shopping around for informed opinions is normal and should be expected. That said, I’ve been a legal commentator and the pressure to be aggressively sound-bitey is real. However, it’s often self-imposed by the expert and not always the reporter’s doing. I remember chatting with a Reuters reporter about the Uber/Lewandowski case and it was pretty clear that if I didn’t say something sexier, the article wouldn’t run. Yes, she was presumably under some pressure to find some sizzle, but I was also asking myself how badly I wanted to be quoted.
JaimeThompson 4y ago
Do we know for sure that the behavior that SpaceX says those employees did actually happened? All we have is a few quotes from SpaceX, not actual evidence but I could be wrong.
- celdon25 4y ago
  You're suggesting that the official, public statement from the COO regarding the email activity was false? No chance. There are laws regarding email retention. The company stands to lose a lot while gaining little by releasing a false statement like that.
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
    When things like the incident below happen it does make me wonder if the COO fully knows everything that is going on at SpaceX. "In late March, SpaceX president Gwynne Shotwell told CNBC, "I don't think the US has given us any money to give terminals to the Ukraine." She also said that most of the funding came from private sources, and acknowledged some help from France and possibly Poland, according to CNBC." https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/spacex-starlink-terminals-sent-to-ukraine-cost-us-taxpayers-3m-report-says/ https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/spacex-starlink-terminals...
- clifdweller 4y ago
  it really has less to do what they did than how it can be listed in their firing. if they sent an email to all spacex employees non work related during company hours they can mark that as 5 minutes wasted across whole company and grounds for firing. now it falls into the realm of cases that have been heard for union voting during company hours to the opposite end of spectrum of traveling to rallies and completely skipping out on work. so battle of who has the best lawyers/ if they choose easier to settle or make an example of them