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". This is called mass domestic warrantless surveillance and it is illegal under any reasonable interpretation of the US constitution, and certainly shouldn't b

by sam345 4y ago

". This is called mass domestic warrantless surveillance and it is illegal under any reasonable interpretation of the US constitution, and certainly shouldn't be allowed by private parties either." I don't think this is correct. Google etc are private actors so no state action, no constitutional violation plus they get your legal consent whether you like the way they do it or not. Government agencies if they get the info must get a warrant or have exception or info's use is barred from court and can't be used against you. So why the claim it is illegal mass domestic surveillance? Hyperbole. Mass surveillance that IS used against citizens all the time is China in WeChat, mass camera use, etc. where there are no constitutional or other protections.

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mLuby 4y ago
Mass surveillance has been used against citizens in the US too; it's too tempting a tool not to abuse. The legal system loses its credibility when warrants, proceedings, evidence, etc are all secret in the name of national security. And further there are cases where the government circumvents the law's intent by asking companies to do things the government itself must not do. Whether a thing is "legal" when it comes to government (ab)use of power is the thinnest of defenses. As the senator from Naboo said: "I will make it legal."
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> they get your legal consent whether you like the way they do it or not. Facebook tracks millions of people who never sogned up to a facebook account and has never agreed to anything
- seesaw 4y ago
  True. See the recent news [1] about hospital web sites sending sensitive data to Facebook. We don’t hear about all the others. [1] https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/06/16/facebook-is-receiving-sensitive-medical-information-from-hospital-websites https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/06/16/facebook-is-rece...
feet 4y ago
The US gov purchases the data that comes from the mass surveillance and they don't need a warrant to do so, essentially bypassing the constitution By your interpretation this is okay because its done by a private industry. That makes no sense to me, can the cops now go pay some random thugs to break into my place and search it without a warrant too? Sorry, that's fucking insane just like being able yo purchase the surveiled data

by sam345 4y ago

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mLuby 4y ago

Mass surveillance has been used against citizens in the US too; it's too tempting a tool not to abuse. The legal system loses its credibility when warrants, proceedings, evidence, etc are all secret in the name of national security. And further there are cases where the government circumvents the law's intent by asking companies to do things the government itself must not do. Whether a thing is "legal" when it comes to government (ab)use of power is the thinnest of defenses. As the senator from Naboo said: "I will make it legal."

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> they get your legal consent whether you like the way they do it or not. Facebook tracks millions of people who never sogned up to a facebook account and has never agreed to anything

seesaw 4y ago
True. See the recent news [1] about hospital web sites sending sensitive data to Facebook. We don’t hear about all the others. [1] https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/06/16/facebook-is-receiving-sensitive-medical-information-from-hospital-websites https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/06/16/facebook-is-rece...

feet 4y ago

The US gov purchases the data that comes from the mass surveillance and they don't need a warrant to do so, essentially bypassing the constitution By your interpretation this is okay because its done by a private industry. That makes no sense to me, can the cops now go pay some random thugs to break into my place and search it without a warrant too? Sorry, that's fucking insane just like being able yo purchase the surveiled data