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Room and board is not cheap and working to pay for it makes sense IMO. If that’s slavery, then so be it. But that doesn’t excuse other detailed injustices in th

Room and board is not cheap and working to pay for it makes sense IMO. If that’s slavery, then so be it. But that doesn’t excuse other detailed injustices in the system, such as not having medical care or basic necessities.

otikik 4y ago
> If that’s slavery, then so be it Be better.
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  Just so you know; that’s an entirely meaningless comment to me. If you can’t be bothered to understand the difference in our views enough to make a comment that has a chance of bridging the gap and moving the needle then don’t be bothered to write a smug comment. Just because you feel self righteous doesn’t mean you are.
  - otikik 4y ago
    Ok I will add more context. This is what your phrase looks to me: > If that’s paedophilia, then so be it Or > If that's organ trafficking, then so be it There are things that are fundamentally wrong. Slavery is one of them. If you don't agree with this basic principle, I honestly don't want to bridge any gaps, I'd rather have a big gap actually.
    - therealdrag0 4y ago
      Nothing is black and white especially when language is involved. There's technical and common definitions of pedophilia, for example; it can often be used to describe any adult with any minor, yet there are many such cases that most people don't consider wrong (say a 19 yo and a 17 yo). Likewise I have heard of scenarios where I don't think it would have been wrong for the participants to result to organ trafficking (one person wanted to donate to another (not for profit) yet they were rejected by the medical system, soon after that person died; what a waste). Similarly "slavery" comes with a lot of baggage and I don't think it should be wielded as a blunt club as it is in this comment section. IMO the labor is not the problem; the poor conditions and abuses are the problem. Prison is a place where rights are taken away and I don't understand why forcing someone in prison to work is "fundamentally wrong" any more than an adult forcing their kids to do chores is not fundamentals wrong. And I haven't seen anyone even try to explain more about that one. Maybe we just have to disagree about it.

otikik 4y ago

> If that’s slavery, then so be it Be better.

therealdrag0 4y ago
Just so you know; that’s an entirely meaningless comment to me. If you can’t be bothered to understand the difference in our views enough to make a comment that has a chance of bridging the gap and moving the needle then don’t be bothered to write a smug comment. Just because you feel self righteous doesn’t mean you are.
- otikik 4y ago
  Ok I will add more context. This is what your phrase looks to me: > If that’s paedophilia, then so be it Or > If that's organ trafficking, then so be it There are things that are fundamentally wrong. Slavery is one of them. If you don't agree with this basic principle, I honestly don't want to bridge any gaps, I'd rather have a big gap actually.
  - therealdrag0 4y ago
    Nothing is black and white especially when language is involved. There's technical and common definitions of pedophilia, for example; it can often be used to describe any adult with any minor, yet there are many such cases that most people don't consider wrong (say a 19 yo and a 17 yo). Likewise I have heard of scenarios where I don't think it would have been wrong for the participants to result to organ trafficking (one person wanted to donate to another (not for profit) yet they were rejected by the medical system, soon after that person died; what a waste). Similarly "slavery" comes with a lot of baggage and I don't think it should be wielded as a blunt club as it is in this comment section. IMO the labor is not the problem; the poor conditions and abuses are the problem. Prison is a place where rights are taken away and I don't understand why forcing someone in prison to work is "fundamentally wrong" any more than an adult forcing their kids to do chores is not fundamentals wrong. And I haven't seen anyone even try to explain more about that one. Maybe we just have to disagree about it.