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Federated services should be the future. It's sad that we all currently live in the walled-garden timeline. This post is fairly high on the frontpage and seems

Federated services should be the future. It's sad that we all currently live in the walled-garden timeline. This post is fairly high on the frontpage and seems to be suffering the consequences of interest. But a Slashdot/Sigh/Reddit/Hackernews clone in the federated space is awesome. Be sure to save for later.

TylerE 4y ago
Yes, wasted resources, propagation delays, overhead... the future. There is a reason web based forums ate usenet's lunch, and email is a largely unusable mess.
- eikenberry 4y ago
  Spam. That's why usenet failed and email is an unusable mess. Ignore spam and you'll end up the same. Web based forums dealt with spam but there is nothing inherently centralized about spam prevention.
  - unityByFreedom 4y ago
    > there is nothing inherently centralized about spam prevention. I'd say there is. You could crowd source moderation, but that's susceptible to the same manipulation seen with bitcoin miners. Culturally speaking, we seek out trustable sources. I'm not sure technology can surmount that.
    - dane-pgp 4y ago
      > we seek out trustable sources. I'm not sure technology can surmount that. Why should finding a trustable source be incompatible with using technology? It seems like precisely the sort of problem that technology can help with. Of course, technology alone can't "solve" trust, but it can keep track of identities and claims and reputations, and even allow implementation of clever algorithms for discovering patterns and making recommendations. Anyway, here is the plan for decentralized spam/abuse prevention that Matrix is proposing, which looks promising: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix-without-backdoors/ https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix...
    - 3np 4y ago
      > that's susceptible to the same manipulation seen with bitcoin miners. care to elaborate?
CommitSyn 4y ago
> But a Slashdot/Sigh/Reddit/Hackernews What's Sigh? I've searched but can't find anything.
- giancarlostoro 4y ago
  I think they literally meant “sigh theres so many of these”
- ywain 4y ago
  Not the person you're replying to, but I think it was supposed to be Digg and got autocorrected.
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    That's incredibly perceptive of you. Are there any known dictionaries or mappings from autocorrected text to possibly intended text?
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duxup 4y ago
Aren’t federated services just a way for you to … pick your walled garden?
- blooalien 4y ago
  In a sense, yes; however, in a federated service, your choice of "walled garden" can (and usually does) talk to the other "walled gardens" that use the same communication protocol, giving you access to a wider range of content than your one instance provides on its own. Also, with federated services, you can typically stand up your own self-hosted instance and fully own your "walls" yourself.

TylerE 4y ago

Yes, wasted resources, propagation delays, overhead... the future. There is a reason web based forums ate usenet's lunch, and email is a largely unusable mess.

eikenberry 4y ago
Spam. That's why usenet failed and email is an unusable mess. Ignore spam and you'll end up the same. Web based forums dealt with spam but there is nothing inherently centralized about spam prevention.
- unityByFreedom 4y ago
  > there is nothing inherently centralized about spam prevention. I'd say there is. You could crowd source moderation, but that's susceptible to the same manipulation seen with bitcoin miners. Culturally speaking, we seek out trustable sources. I'm not sure technology can surmount that.
  - dane-pgp 4y ago
    > we seek out trustable sources. I'm not sure technology can surmount that. Why should finding a trustable source be incompatible with using technology? It seems like precisely the sort of problem that technology can help with. Of course, technology alone can't "solve" trust, but it can keep track of identities and claims and reputations, and even allow implementation of clever algorithms for discovering patterns and making recommendations. Anyway, here is the plan for decentralized spam/abuse prevention that Matrix is proposing, which looks promising: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix-without-backdoors/ https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix...
  - 3np 4y ago
    > that's susceptible to the same manipulation seen with bitcoin miners. care to elaborate?

CommitSyn 4y ago

> But a Slashdot/Sigh/Reddit/Hackernews What's Sigh? I've searched but can't find anything.

giancarlostoro 4y ago
I think they literally meant “sigh theres so many of these”
ywain 4y ago
Not the person you're replying to, but I think it was supposed to be Digg and got autocorrected.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  That's incredibly perceptive of you. Are there any known dictionaries or mappings from autocorrected text to possibly intended text?

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duxup 4y ago

Aren’t federated services just a way for you to … pick your walled garden?

blooalien 4y ago
In a sense, yes; however, in a federated service, your choice of "walled garden" can (and usually does) talk to the other "walled gardens" that use the same communication protocol, giving you access to a wider range of content than your one instance provides on its own. Also, with federated services, you can typically stand up your own self-hosted instance and fully own your "walls" yourself.