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Learjet was a brand name (used to be an independent company founded by Bill Lear), which is no longer active (after having been acquired and subsequently discon

by nickff 4y ago

Learjet was a brand name (used to be an independent company founded by Bill Lear), which is no longer active (after having been acquired and subsequently discontinued). The more generic terms are 'general aviation' and 'business aviation'; most small jets are 'business jets'.

nawgz 4y ago
I am citing specific statistics for a specific and popular private jet, as these things are not well analyzed for not surprising reasons. Feel free to prove the point with statistics, semantics are definitely an aside to the point at hand
- nickff 4y ago
  You're comparing obsolete small jets to a much newer fleet of commercial passenger aircraft. While business jets do tend to be older, your choice is rather extreme, and introduces a huge bias. This website has some interesting examples of more modern aircraft in a few categories: https://www.flyingmag.com/the-most-fuel-efficient-aircraft-in-several-categories/ https://www.flyingmag.com/the-most-fuel-efficient-aircraft-i...
  - nawgz 4y ago
    A bunch of 4mpg 7-8 seaters align perfectly with my criticism of private jets. Actually, I don’t really understand what leads you to think there is any pressure in this space for fuel efficient development. In the space of jetliners, the airlines optimize for cost, of which fuel is a primary driver. While it is cool local planes pull 25mpg, they spew lead on their local communities. I don’t think humanity can put the cat of air travel back in the bag, and if I understand correctly the SUV market is actually driving as much CO2 emissions as the entirety of aviation; I still don’t see why individuals should be privileged to do such damage of poison and inefficiency for their pleasure. It is pleasing to others to imagine a long lived humanity on a globe hosting life as we know it, after all.

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Learjet was a brand name (used to be an independent company founded by Bill Lear), which is no longer active (after having been acquired and subsequently discon

by nickff 4y ago

nawgz 4y ago
I am citing specific statistics for a specific and popular private jet, as these things are not well analyzed for not surprising reasons. Feel free to prove the point with statistics, semantics are definitely an aside to the point at hand
- nickff 4y ago
  You're comparing obsolete small jets to a much newer fleet of commercial passenger aircraft. While business jets do tend to be older, your choice is rather extreme, and introduces a huge bias. This website has some interesting examples of more modern aircraft in a few categories: https://www.flyingmag.com/the-most-fuel-efficient-aircraft-in-several-categories/ https://www.flyingmag.com/the-most-fuel-efficient-aircraft-i...
  - nawgz 4y ago
    A bunch of 4mpg 7-8 seaters align perfectly with my criticism of private jets. Actually, I don’t really understand what leads you to think there is any pressure in this space for fuel efficient development. In the space of jetliners, the airlines optimize for cost, of which fuel is a primary driver. While it is cool local planes pull 25mpg, they spew lead on their local communities. I don’t think humanity can put the cat of air travel back in the bag, and if I understand correctly the SUV market is actually driving as much CO2 emissions as the entirety of aviation; I still don’t see why individuals should be privileged to do such damage of poison and inefficiency for their pleasure. It is pleasing to others to imagine a long lived humanity on a globe hosting life as we know it, after all.