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This should be flagged due to misleading title change.

by mechanical_bear 4y ago

Scalene2 4y ago
What makes you think that they aren't slaves?
- heretogetout 4y ago
  A _lot_ of folks believe that the US banned slavery within its borders.
  - markovbot 4y ago
    Which is why correcting that harmful, false narrative is critical
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    Countries "ban" all sorts of things with the government being exempted from the ban. Some animals are more equal.
markovbot 4y ago
What part of the title is misleading? the HN title fixes simply removes some inaccurate language from the original article.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Titles aren't supposed to be editorlized in general on HN. I think there are some cases where it's ok, perhaps if the title is particularly nonsensical or clickbaity.
- nverno 4y ago
  'inmates' is a more accurate descriptor. A 'slave' could refer to anyone being forced to work for no pay, whereas an inmate means that as well as a bunch of other relevant stuff.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
    In this case, the difference in "inmate" and "slave" is the degree of charitableness given to the US. On articles concerning China's Uighur camps, we don't see the word "inmate" being used.
    - nverno 4y ago
      I think 'slave' is overly negative usage in this case. A 'slave' implies people that were enslaved with no justification, imo. You don't normally hear POWs or inmates referred to as slaves. The fact that inmates are made to work is hardly the worst part of their punishment.
      - markovbot 4y ago
        > A 'slave' implies people that were enslaved with no justification it absolutely does not, and to suggest so is absurd. In America, black people have been enslaved with all sorts of justifications about how they were of an "inferior race", how they were "naturally" more violent and "animalistic", etc and how their enslavement was actually good for them.
        nverno 4y ago
        Those were rationalizations. Nobody thinks enslavement like that is justified.
        markovbot 4y ago
        Well people certainly thought so at the time. Personally I don't believe the rationalization given for modern slavery either, but apparently you do so it's a "justified" slavery.
      - clerk_occam 4y ago
        Implying that sometimes it’s justified to enslave people?
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  Actual title is:US prison workers produce $11B worth of goods and services for ‘little to no pay at all’
  - markovbot 4y ago
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      From the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize.
      - markovbot 4y ago
        the original article title is misleading: it implies that the people doing involuntary labor aren't slaves.
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > the original article title is misleading: it implies that the people doing involuntary labor aren't slaves. If they're slaves, then tell me where you can buy one to own as property. Being literally owned is an important part of the definition of that word in this sense.
        markovbot 4y ago
        wow, you got me. The fact that I can't personally purchase and own one of these humans means they're not slaves. As you know, the definition of slavery definitely includes something about slaves being bought and sold in a public marketplace.
        moistly 4y ago
        > tell me where you can buy one to own as property Just buy a judge or two. Judges Plead Guilty in Scheme to Jail Youths for Profit: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > What part of the title is misleading? the HN title fixes simply removes some inaccurate language from the original article. The HN title is editorialized by injecting tendentious and controversial framing not present in the OP article let alone the OP title. It's not even accurate, these practices seem far closer to "involuntary servitude" than "slavery." The term "slave," at least in the American context, implies being chattel, which none of these prisoners are. For the record, here's the OP title: > US prison workers produce $11B worth of goods and services for ‘little to no pay at all’ And here's the current HN post title: "US prison slaves produce $11B worth of goods and services."
x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
What's wrong with the title? The original title is: "US prison workers produce $11B worth of goods and services for ‘little to no pay at all’". I'm not sure if the part of the title they left out misleads the reader.
- deleted 4y ago
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This should be flagged due to misleading title change.

Scalene2 4y ago

What makes you think that they aren't slaves?

heretogetout 4y ago
A _lot_ of folks believe that the US banned slavery within its borders.
- markovbot 4y ago
  Which is why correcting that harmful, false narrative is critical
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  Countries "ban" all sorts of things with the government being exempted from the ban. Some animals are more equal.

markovbot 4y ago

What part of the title is misleading? the HN title fixes simply removes some inaccurate language from the original article.

the_only_law 4y ago
Titles aren't supposed to be editorlized in general on HN. I think there are some cases where it's ok, perhaps if the title is particularly nonsensical or clickbaity.
nverno 4y ago
'inmates' is a more accurate descriptor. A 'slave' could refer to anyone being forced to work for no pay, whereas an inmate means that as well as a bunch of other relevant stuff.
- x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago
  In this case, the difference in "inmate" and "slave" is the degree of charitableness given to the US. On articles concerning China's Uighur camps, we don't see the word "inmate" being used.
  - nverno 4y ago
    I think 'slave' is overly negative usage in this case. A 'slave' implies people that were enslaved with no justification, imo. You don't normally hear POWs or inmates referred to as slaves. The fact that inmates are made to work is hardly the worst part of their punishment.
    - markovbot 4y ago
      > A 'slave' implies people that were enslaved with no justification it absolutely does not, and to suggest so is absurd. In America, black people have been enslaved with all sorts of justifications about how they were of an "inferior race", how they were "naturally" more violent and "animalistic", etc and how their enslavement was actually good for them.
      - nverno 4y ago
        Those were rationalizations. Nobody thinks enslavement like that is justified.
        markovbot 4y ago
        Well people certainly thought so at the time. Personally I don't believe the rationalization given for modern slavery either, but apparently you do so it's a "justified" slavery.
    - clerk_occam 4y ago
      Implying that sometimes it’s justified to enslave people?
Overtonwindow 4y ago
Actual title is:US prison workers produce $11B worth of goods and services for ‘little to no pay at all’
- markovbot 4y ago
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    From the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize.
    - markovbot 4y ago
      the original article title is misleading: it implies that the people doing involuntary labor aren't slaves.
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        > the original article title is misleading: it implies that the people doing involuntary labor aren't slaves. If they're slaves, then tell me where you can buy one to own as property. Being literally owned is an important part of the definition of that word in this sense.
        markovbot 4y ago
        wow, you got me. The fact that I can't personally purchase and own one of these humans means they're not slaves. As you know, the definition of slavery definitely includes something about slaves being bought and sold in a public marketplace.
        moistly 4y ago
        > tell me where you can buy one to own as property Just buy a judge or two. Judges Plead Guilty in Scheme to Jail Youths for Profit: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html
tablespoon 4y ago
> What part of the title is misleading? the HN title fixes simply removes some inaccurate language from the original article. The HN title is editorialized by injecting tendentious and controversial framing not present in the OP article let alone the OP title. It's not even accurate, these practices seem far closer to "involuntary servitude" than "slavery." The term "slave," at least in the American context, implies being chattel, which none of these prisoners are. For the record, here's the OP title: > US prison workers produce $11B worth of goods and services for ‘little to no pay at all’ And here's the current HN post title: "US prison slaves produce $11B worth of goods and services."

x86_64Ubuntu 4y ago

What's wrong with the title? The original title is: "US prison workers produce $11B worth of goods and services for ‘little to no pay at all’". I'm not sure if the part of the title they left out misleads the reader.

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