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I make most of my income from writing. My experience is the opposite of this. https://lee-phillips.org/whypay/ https://lee-phillips.org/whypay/

vorpalhex 4y ago
As a heads up, this is not loading for me. Your other pages seem fine, and I'm not getting a 404, just an empty page. Doesn't seem to be adblock or pihole.
- leephillips 4y ago
  Thanks for the heads up. It’s fixed now.
corrral 4y ago
Page is blank for me and I couldn't find a version though your site's search. Your experience is that editors are cheap and that publishers readily supply substantial editing services, not requiring that practically all editing work is done before entertaining a submission? That's contrary to the experience of multiple close friends and relatives who are writers or are working on getting published, and to that of multiple others I follow whose experiences I've heard or read about.
- leephillips 4y ago
  Sorry about that. I don’t know how it happened, but it’s fixed now. I don’t know what you mean by editors being cheap. I don’t pay them, they’re employees of the publications I write for. I assume they’re underpaid, of course. My first draft is better than the finished product you’ll find in most publications (not bragging, it’s just the truth). Before it’s published, however, it goes through several rounds of editing with from one to three editors, and a technical review. This can last weeks. I may have to generate five revisions before it’s good enough. It could be that your acquaintances are writing for publications with lower standards. EDIT: By the way, if you have friends who are submitting to publications that don’t pay, or pay only a token amount, please suggest to them that they stop. This depresses the market for writers who are tying to make a living with it. Don’t fall for the “exposure” gambit or give away your stuff to feed your ego. You‘re being robbed.
  - corrral 4y ago
    > Sorry about that. I don’t know how it happened, but it’s fixed now. No problem, shit happens. > My first draft is better than the finished product you’ll find in most publications (not bragging, it’s just the truth). Before it’s published, however, it goes through several rounds of editing with from one to three editors, and a technical review. This can last weeks. I may have to generate five revisions before it’s good enough. It could be that your acquaintances are writing for publications with lower standards. Premier genre periodicals, as no other short fiction venues pay worth a damn, these days. Novels through trad publishing—the ones I know who self-publish barely edit at all and certainly don't pay for editors, which is, judging from the quality of the median self-published work, evidently the norm in that world. Household-name monthlies, with non-fiction writing, in those cases, though some of those publications do also print fiction. The ones I know who publish longer-form non-fiction writing do seem to get somewhat more support from their publishers, to be fair, but most of the editing work does still need to be done before submission or you're getting round-filed. Those also tend to be more well-defined and goal-oriented pieces, so content editing is less necessary or extensive. What most will do, at least, is tell you what to cut if they need the piece to be shorter. [EDIT] > EDIT: By the way, if you have friends who are submitting to publications that don’t pay, or pay only a token amount, please suggest to them that they stop. This depresses the market for writers who are tying to make a living with it. Don’t fall for the “exposure” gambit or give away your stuff to feed your ego. You‘re being robbed. Oh don't worry, they're all pretty allergic to that. Good warning though, and worth mentioning. The lit-fic market especially is a complete joke in this regard. But I suppose it's hard to blame publishers when they have such a glut of people willing to put words to paper for little or no compensation.
    - leephillips 4y ago
      Hmm. I had in mind non-fiction, as we were discussing editing. I can't imagine a fiction writer wanting his or her creations to be touched by an editor. But I accept your report that such people exist.
      - halostatue 4y ago

vorpalhex 4y ago

As a heads up, this is not loading for me. Your other pages seem fine, and I'm not getting a 404, just an empty page. Doesn't seem to be adblock or pihole.

leephillips 4y ago
Thanks for the heads up. It’s fixed now.

corrral 4y ago

Page is blank for me and I couldn't find a version though your site's search. Your experience is that editors are cheap and that publishers readily supply substantial editing services, not requiring that practically all editing work is done before entertaining a submission? That's contrary to the experience of multiple close friends and relatives who are writers or are working on getting published, and to that of multiple others I follow whose experiences I've heard or read about.

leephillips 4y ago
Sorry about that. I don’t know how it happened, but it’s fixed now. I don’t know what you mean by editors being cheap. I don’t pay them, they’re employees of the publications I write for. I assume they’re underpaid, of course. My first draft is better than the finished product you’ll find in most publications (not bragging, it’s just the truth). Before it’s published, however, it goes through several rounds of editing with from one to three editors, and a technical review. This can last weeks. I may have to generate five revisions before it’s good enough. It could be that your acquaintances are writing for publications with lower standards. EDIT: By the way, if you have friends who are submitting to publications that don’t pay, or pay only a token amount, please suggest to them that they stop. This depresses the market for writers who are tying to make a living with it. Don’t fall for the “exposure” gambit or give away your stuff to feed your ego. You‘re being robbed.
- corrral 4y ago
  > Sorry about that. I don’t know how it happened, but it’s fixed now. No problem, shit happens. > My first draft is better than the finished product you’ll find in most publications (not bragging, it’s just the truth). Before it’s published, however, it goes through several rounds of editing with from one to three editors, and a technical review. This can last weeks. I may have to generate five revisions before it’s good enough. It could be that your acquaintances are writing for publications with lower standards. Premier genre periodicals, as no other short fiction venues pay worth a damn, these days. Novels through trad publishing—the ones I know who self-publish barely edit at all and certainly don't pay for editors, which is, judging from the quality of the median self-published work, evidently the norm in that world. Household-name monthlies, with non-fiction writing, in those cases, though some of those publications do also print fiction. The ones I know who publish longer-form non-fiction writing do seem to get somewhat more support from their publishers, to be fair, but most of the editing work does still need to be done before submission or you're getting round-filed. Those also tend to be more well-defined and goal-oriented pieces, so content editing is less necessary or extensive. What most will do, at least, is tell you what to cut if they need the piece to be shorter. [EDIT] > EDIT: By the way, if you have friends who are submitting to publications that don’t pay, or pay only a token amount, please suggest to them that they stop. This depresses the market for writers who are tying to make a living with it. Don’t fall for the “exposure” gambit or give away your stuff to feed your ego. You‘re being robbed. Oh don't worry, they're all pretty allergic to that. Good warning though, and worth mentioning. The lit-fic market especially is a complete joke in this regard. But I suppose it's hard to blame publishers when they have such a glut of people willing to put words to paper for little or no compensation.
  - leephillips 4y ago
    Hmm. I had in mind non-fiction, as we were discussing editing. I can't imagine a fiction writer wanting his or her creations to be touched by an editor. But I accept your report that such people exist.
    - halostatue 4y ago