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And all the people getting cancelled said and did x bad thing, but Musk's sycophants and defenders, who tend to be free speech absolutists, act like people shou
by ss108 4y ago
And all the people getting cancelled said and did x bad thing, but Musk's sycophants and defenders, who tend to be free speech absolutists, act like people should be immune from the consequences of their actions.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 4y agoThere is no equivalency between getting fired because you insulted your boss and getting fired because 20000 hyperonline strangers didn't like your opinion about politics stated outside of work.
- temp_6_17_2022 4y ago> There is no equivalency between Sure there is, and trivially so- your employer decided to fire you in both cases, in neither did 20000 hyperonline strangers fire you.
- throwaway894345 4y agoI don't think this is a good comparison. First of all, many (most?) of the people who got canceled didn't do anything offensive or objectionable. Off the top of my head.: * The guy who got fired for cracking his knuckles in a way that looked vaguely like an "OK sign" which is offensive to some extreme left-wing people * The data scientist who got fired for citing research on the efficacy of nonviolent protest * The journalist who was pressured to leave his workplace for interviewing a black man whose views didn't match a certain narrative about what black people believe * The professor who was suspended for saying a Chinese word that sounds vaguely like an English slur Moreover, cancellation is "pressuring someone's employer to fire them". This is different than an employer taking offense to an employee's speech and firing them as a consequence. If Musk has said something like "employers shouldn't fire employees on the basis of their speech" (and he may have done, I really don't know), then he's probably being hypocritical, but not on the basis of cancel culture.
- jonathankoren 4y ago
- throwaway894345 4y agoI never understood the point of transparently misrepresenting an argument and then defeating it in a public arena, but you do you.
- jonathankoren 4y ago
- throwaway894345 4y agoWow, you totally devastated that straw man. He’ll think twice before showing his face around here again.
- jonathankoren 4y agoMaybe you should try making your argument ya out of bricks instead of straw.
- ss108 4y agoYou have merely cherry-picked some examples of cancel culture where people were fired for merely trivial things. > If Musk has said something like "employers shouldn't fire employees on the basis of their speech" (and he may have done, I really don't know), then he's probably being hypocritical, but not on the basis of cancel culture. My comment was necessarily about Musk himself, but also about his defenders. Thus, it doesn't matter much whether Musk himself is a hypocrite based on any of his own statements, but rather whether his supporters (for lack of a better term) are hypocrites based on positions they have previously staked out.
- throwaway894345 4y ago