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This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their

This is fantastic. Kudos to them. Copying some things they won, for the non-clickers: - Minimum 3% annual CoL raises - Profit-sharing bonuses - Putting their current benefits in the contract, so management will have to re-negotiate if they want to make them worse. - Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. Looking forward to more details & seeing how this plays out, especially as the market collapses (probably will end up looking like amazing timing on their part, btw). Interestingly, for the people that like to paint unions as wokies, the progressive discipline item (if implemented well) actually _curbs_ 'cancel culture'. Because at-will employment is basically the enforcement mechanism for cancel culture.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
>Minimum 3% annual CoL raises Weird that they call it a CoL raise. If it isn't tied to cost, it is just an minimum annual raise.
- ep103 4y ago
  Weird that you're arguing that 3% isn't a CoL raise, when inflation has been pegged to 2.25% for decades, and is currently 8%+
  - karaterobot 4y ago
    I think what the person you responded to is saying is that the raise should be tied to inflation. You may not actually disagree with them.
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    Inflation is different from cost of living else high cost of living regions wouldn't exist.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    > to 2.25% for decades, and is currently 8%+ That plus sign is pretty subtle there.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    My point is simply that CoL changes aren't fixed and fluctuate. I think it is weird to call it a CoL raise if you are guaranteed it even if CoL doesn't change or goes down. I'm not sure where you are getting that inflation has been pegged to anything. 2% might be an average, but it has gone everywhere from -2% to 6% in the last two decades. Besides, inflation is not CoL.
- bestcoder69 4y ago
  We don't know what it's tied to, because that's just the minimum.
Kharvok 4y ago
Why would you be happy with a 3% raise any year in tech?
- bestcoder69 4y ago
  > Minimum means the least you can do of something. For example, if the minimum amount of dollars you must pay for something is seven, then you cannot pay six dollars or less (you must pay at least seven). You can do more than the minimum, but no less. [0] [0]: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_and_minimum https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_and_minimum
  - Cerium 4y ago
    Unfortunately, the minimum in employment agreements is frequently also the maximum.
    - lostcolony 4y ago
      Their current minimum is 0%. I suspect "you get a 3% raise this year" will be treated the same way "you get a 0% raise this year" is.
    - camdat 4y ago
      Source this. Every Union I've seen continues to support performance based raises, just weighed appropriately against other compensation increases.
      - lupire 4y ago
        Source: the whole economy. If someone offers X, and you want Z, and you sign a contract for Y, they are giving you Y. Do you evet give Comcast an extra $50 for fun? It's what the company supports, not what the union supports. And "performance based raises" are obviously not CoL raisesm
        SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
no_butterscotch 4y ago
> Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. What does "progressive disciplining" mean? I like the idea of criteria for being pipped, though I wonder if Kickstarter had a pip culture like Amazon.
- steveklabnik 4y ago
  Speaking in very generic terms, "progressive discipline" is the idea that you start with smaller punishments, give employees time to correct, and then move on to more severe ones if they do not fix whatever the issue is. With documentation each step of the way. These sorts of policies don't generally mean that, for extreme circumstances, larger punishments can't be used, just that you can't start with a harsh punishment for a mild issue.
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s1artibartfast 4y ago

>Minimum 3% annual CoL raises Weird that they call it a CoL raise. If it isn't tied to cost, it is just an minimum annual raise.

ep103 4y ago
Weird that you're arguing that 3% isn't a CoL raise, when inflation has been pegged to 2.25% for decades, and is currently 8%+
- karaterobot 4y ago
  I think what the person you responded to is saying is that the raise should be tied to inflation. You may not actually disagree with them.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Inflation is different from cost of living else high cost of living regions wouldn't exist.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  > to 2.25% for decades, and is currently 8%+ That plus sign is pretty subtle there.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  My point is simply that CoL changes aren't fixed and fluctuate. I think it is weird to call it a CoL raise if you are guaranteed it even if CoL doesn't change or goes down. I'm not sure where you are getting that inflation has been pegged to anything. 2% might be an average, but it has gone everywhere from -2% to 6% in the last two decades. Besides, inflation is not CoL.
bestcoder69 4y ago
We don't know what it's tied to, because that's just the minimum.

Kharvok 4y ago

Why would you be happy with a 3% raise any year in tech?

bestcoder69 4y ago
> Minimum means the least you can do of something. For example, if the minimum amount of dollars you must pay for something is seven, then you cannot pay six dollars or less (you must pay at least seven). You can do more than the minimum, but no less. [0] [0]: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_and_minimum https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_and_minimum
- Cerium 4y ago
  Unfortunately, the minimum in employment agreements is frequently also the maximum.
  - lostcolony 4y ago
    Their current minimum is 0%. I suspect "you get a 3% raise this year" will be treated the same way "you get a 0% raise this year" is.
  - camdat 4y ago
    Source this. Every Union I've seen continues to support performance based raises, just weighed appropriately against other compensation increases.
    - lupire 4y ago
      Source: the whole economy. If someone offers X, and you want Z, and you sign a contract for Y, they are giving you Y. Do you evet give Comcast an extra $50 for fun? It's what the company supports, not what the union supports. And "performance based raises" are obviously not CoL raisesm
      - SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

no_butterscotch 4y ago

> Replacing at-will with "just cause", progressive disciplining, with criteria for performance improvement plans. What does "progressive disciplining" mean? I like the idea of criteria for being pipped, though I wonder if Kickstarter had a pip culture like Amazon.

steveklabnik 4y ago
Speaking in very generic terms, "progressive discipline" is the idea that you start with smaller punishments, give employees time to correct, and then move on to more severe ones if they do not fix whatever the issue is. With documentation each step of the way. These sorts of policies don't generally mean that, for extreme circumstances, larger punishments can't be used, just that you can't start with a harsh punishment for a mild issue.

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