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Uk is a puppet of the USA. They are in no position to make any demands

notavalleyman 4y ago
Why do you think that? The two most recent American administrations have been seemingly polar opposites. It would be weird for the UK PM, who has seen both POTUS, to have been a puppet of both of them
- hulitu 4y ago
  Maybe from an US point of view. From a foreigner perspective is that the new US president does not scream to other european liders like the old one did.
  - notavalleyman 4y ago
    So you're saying that Trump and Biden are part of the same "team" puppeting Boris Johnson, but Biden is the quieter one, from a European perspective... But if they're the same team, then why did Trump mind losing the election, why the big lie, why attempt a coup? If he was just handing over control to his quieter teammate. The whole thing makes no sense to me
    - coldtea 4y ago
      Partisan politics is mostly a show. Trump and Biden are not in the same team, in the sense that they represent opposing parties, who benefit (and their members) from holding the power. Beyond that, they are both just presidents, e.g. when it comes to foreign affairs mostly figureheads for the long term American foreign policy, which is dictated by national "interests", the state department, and long term (career) washington personel, not by who happens to be the president now or then. From that aspects, they're just mascots for different teams, playing the same sport, where others are calling the shots. >But if they're the same team, then why did Trump mind losing the election Because parties like winning. >why the big lie Nt such a big lie. Even if not widespread election fraud, the whole game was rigged against him, regarding press coverage, assosiates investigated (for the same kind of deals and BS that's daily business on from both sides for decades, but nobody bats an eye), supposedly neutral organizations standing against the president, double standard reporting as "unprecedented" for the same shit Obama, Clinton, Bush and co pulled, and so on. >why attempt a coup? A couple thousand rag-tag fans got in the capitol, with no plan, no leadership, no endorsement, and no prospects. It was just a BS protest attempt from idiots. But of course it got played to death as some kind of evil coup plan - from the same press that hailed an equally incompetent senile bland long-term insider as the second coming of Lincoln.
      - notavalleyman 4y ago
        Ok so keep fleshing out your idea. You believe that the state department, et al, are some of the secret rulers of the world, and they puppet the president. The president, both Trump and Biden, were puppeting the ... UK establishment. And the UK establishment were puppeting the judge who is formalising the extradition of Assange. It's a lot of work, isn't it? Why is this a more reasonable theory to you than simply: Assange is being extradited because the lawyers convinced a judge to agree to it - see how my theory involves no puppets, no deep state, no invisble powers... > no plan, no leadership, no endorsement, That's not the impression I've been taking away from the three congressional hearing so far. But there's not much point me talking about real world evidence to someone who believes in an imaginary world of deep state puppeting foreign judges to get a website operator extradited
        coldtea 4y ago
        >Ok so keep fleshing out your idea. You believe that the state department, et al, are some of the secret rulers of the world, and they puppet the president. You make it sound like a believe in aliens and illuminati too. Whereas what I believe is that the president is a figurehead, and the foreign policy show is run by party figures, long term Washington political careerists, big lobbies, and, long term State Department (and Pentagon) staffers and strategies. How is that a controversial take? >The president, both Trump and Biden, were puppeting the ... UK establishment. And the UK establishment were puppeting the judge who is formalising the extradition of Assange. The US has UK on a leash as a client state since WWII. That's what happens to empires when they fade and a new top dog takes over. No special need for Trump and Biden to "puppet" the UK establishment: in the usual course of things, unless there's some unprecedented harm to it's own interests (where it might take a stance), the US says jump and UK says "how high?". >Assange is being extradited because the lawyers convinced a judge to agree to it - see how my theory involves no puppets, no deep state, no invisble powers... Yes, just "Mr Smith goes to Washington" starry-eyed naivety, and an ignorance of a century of similar political maneuvering. >That's not the impression I've been taking away from the three congressional hearing so far. That's because those are dog and pony shows for the faithful.
    - stjohnswarts 4y ago
      Trump is a one-and-done I hope. He is not playing on anyone's team other than his own and Putin's.
      - aizen89 4y ago
        Putin?) where do you get these from?
- PoignardAzur 4y ago
  A few issues aside, the Biden administration has been in the continuity of the Trump administration on almost everything international. They still haven't gone back into the JCPOA, for instance.
  - notavalleyman 4y ago
    Is that evidence that the leaders of the UK are puppets of the leaders of the USA?
    - hnfong 4y ago
      No, but it is an on-topic reply to your objection.
- coldtea 4y ago
  The President is the least interesting aspect of the American administration, and doesn't change much, if anything, to how the US treats its client states

Why do you think that? The two most recent American administrations have been seemingly polar opposites. It would be weird for the UK PM, who has seen both POTUS, to have been a puppet of both of them

hulitu 4y ago
Maybe from an US point of view. From a foreigner perspective is that the new US president does not scream to other european liders like the old one did.
- notavalleyman 4y ago
  So you're saying that Trump and Biden are part of the same "team" puppeting Boris Johnson, but Biden is the quieter one, from a European perspective... But if they're the same team, then why did Trump mind losing the election, why the big lie, why attempt a coup? If he was just handing over control to his quieter teammate. The whole thing makes no sense to me
  - coldtea 4y ago
    Partisan politics is mostly a show. Trump and Biden are not in the same team, in the sense that they represent opposing parties, who benefit (and their members) from holding the power. Beyond that, they are both just presidents, e.g. when it comes to foreign affairs mostly figureheads for the long term American foreign policy, which is dictated by national "interests", the state department, and long term (career) washington personel, not by who happens to be the president now or then. From that aspects, they're just mascots for different teams, playing the same sport, where others are calling the shots. >But if they're the same team, then why did Trump mind losing the election Because parties like winning. >why the big lie Nt such a big lie. Even if not widespread election fraud, the whole game was rigged against him, regarding press coverage, assosiates investigated (for the same kind of deals and BS that's daily business on from both sides for decades, but nobody bats an eye), supposedly neutral organizations standing against the president, double standard reporting as "unprecedented" for the same shit Obama, Clinton, Bush and co pulled, and so on. >why attempt a coup? A couple thousand rag-tag fans got in the capitol, with no plan, no leadership, no endorsement, and no prospects. It was just a BS protest attempt from idiots. But of course it got played to death as some kind of evil coup plan - from the same press that hailed an equally incompetent senile bland long-term insider as the second coming of Lincoln.
    - notavalleyman 4y ago
      Ok so keep fleshing out your idea. You believe that the state department, et al, are some of the secret rulers of the world, and they puppet the president. The president, both Trump and Biden, were puppeting the ... UK establishment. And the UK establishment were puppeting the judge who is formalising the extradition of Assange. It's a lot of work, isn't it? Why is this a more reasonable theory to you than simply: Assange is being extradited because the lawyers convinced a judge to agree to it - see how my theory involves no puppets, no deep state, no invisble powers... > no plan, no leadership, no endorsement, That's not the impression I've been taking away from the three congressional hearing so far. But there's not much point me talking about real world evidence to someone who believes in an imaginary world of deep state puppeting foreign judges to get a website operator extradited
      - coldtea 4y ago
        >Ok so keep fleshing out your idea. You believe that the state department, et al, are some of the secret rulers of the world, and they puppet the president. You make it sound like a believe in aliens and illuminati too. Whereas what I believe is that the president is a figurehead, and the foreign policy show is run by party figures, long term Washington political careerists, big lobbies, and, long term State Department (and Pentagon) staffers and strategies. How is that a controversial take? >The president, both Trump and Biden, were puppeting the ... UK establishment. And the UK establishment were puppeting the judge who is formalising the extradition of Assange. The US has UK on a leash as a client state since WWII. That's what happens to empires when they fade and a new top dog takes over. No special need for Trump and Biden to "puppet" the UK establishment: in the usual course of things, unless there's some unprecedented harm to it's own interests (where it might take a stance), the US says jump and UK says "how high?". >Assange is being extradited because the lawyers convinced a judge to agree to it - see how my theory involves no puppets, no deep state, no invisble powers... Yes, just "Mr Smith goes to Washington" starry-eyed naivety, and an ignorance of a century of similar political maneuvering. >That's not the impression I've been taking away from the three congressional hearing so far. That's because those are dog and pony shows for the faithful.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    Trump is a one-and-done I hope. He is not playing on anyone's team other than his own and Putin's.
    - aizen89 4y ago
      Putin?) where do you get these from?
PoignardAzur 4y ago
A few issues aside, the Biden administration has been in the continuity of the Trump administration on almost everything international. They still haven't gone back into the JCPOA, for instance.
- notavalleyman 4y ago
  Is that evidence that the leaders of the UK are puppets of the leaders of the USA?
  - hnfong 4y ago
    No, but it is an on-topic reply to your objection.
coldtea 4y ago
The President is the least interesting aspect of the American administration, and doesn't change much, if anything, to how the US treats its client states