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Gnome people basically looked as how Apple managed to be firm about design and though they can be even tougher since they do it for free. Such reasonable / obv

Gnome people basically looked as how Apple managed to be firm about design and though they can be even tougher since they do it for free. Such reasonable / obvious requests linger for decades and after a while the system has been rewritten and bugs are auto-closed. I no longer report any bugs nor care.

Avamander 4y ago
I loathe all auto-closing so much, it's such a cheap way out of issue triage. The ostrich method of project management. It's a good red flag though, I know not to waste my time on the project. Who knows what major issues have been auto-ignored. It can be especially inane if the issues are also locked automatically, you're already ignoring the issue why the f can't you let people discuss workarounds or request reopen.
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  Firefox Android did that and I stopped contributing. It's not even that I hold a grudge, but the ostrich method is extremely frustrating to the reporters
- heretogetout 4y ago
  I keep hoping someone will be gutsy enough to build and deploy a bumpbot (or bots!) to combat stalebot.
  - OJFord 4y ago
    I keep hoping it will simply gain a way to say 'I still care, this is still an issue, there's no new information to add, (nor asked for!) it's just not being prioritised so please leave it open'. Or infer that after a couple of stale removals. Sure they close a lot of junk from drive-by question askers which helps maintainers, but they piss off a lot of good citizens providing information on actual bugs/feature requests that are just waiting for attention too.
    - heretogetout 4y ago
      Combine that with the CLA plague and you have a recipe for nothing but corporate-backed open source contributions. Individuals need not apply.
      - politician 4y ago
        An undead open-source project.
  - dingleberry420 4y ago
    Not a bad idea. Should make it so it runs under user tokens so people can run it under their own accounts with their own message template.
_jal 4y ago
> I no longer report any bugs nor care. Past that point years back, kept going. I just don't use anything Gnome related, if I can help it. I have found some things that unfortunately use the toolkit and somehow manage to not be intentionally irritating, but I assume that's an oversight to be corrected once I'm dependent on it. Like is too short to use irritating software.
apozem 4y ago
This is the thing - if you're going to be like Apple and dictate design, you have to get it right. macOS and Apple hardware is not to everyone's taste, and they make mistakes, but they prototype and dogfood and iterate like crazy and they have thumbnails in the damn file picker. When you're picking a file, you can even tap space to get a blown-up preview of an image or PRF. I use this feature almost every time I need to pick an image.
- Filligree 4y ago
  > When you're picking a file, you can even tap space to get a blown-up preview of an image or PRF. I use this feature almost every time I need to pick an image. Wait, what? That would have been super useful, but how was I supposed to find out?
  - jamesgeck0 4y ago
    This works in every Finder window; if there's a window with files you can use Quick Look. I'm not sure if it's documented anywhere anymore, but it's been around 15 years.
  - apozem 4y ago
    It's not indicated anywhere visually. I don't even remember how I found out about it. This is a downside of macOS and iOS design - lot of hidden gestures. For example, you can right-click the text title of a Finder window to open a quick navigation to all the parent folders of the current directory.
    - skykooler 4y ago
      Wait, what? I knew about the spacebar thing but this one is new to me.
  - brigade 4y ago
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 or https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/view-and-edit-files-with-quick-look-mh14119/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/view-and-edit-files... I guess? First one also mentions the ⌘-click on a window's title
gtirloni 4y ago
This 1000x. Apparently it's called being "opinionated" nowadays.

Avamander 4y ago

I loathe all auto-closing so much, it's such a cheap way out of issue triage. The ostrich method of project management. It's a good red flag though, I know not to waste my time on the project. Who knows what major issues have been auto-ignored. It can be especially inane if the issues are also locked automatically, you're already ignoring the issue why the f can't you let people discuss workarounds or request reopen.

cuteboy19 4y ago
Firefox Android did that and I stopped contributing. It's not even that I hold a grudge, but the ostrich method is extremely frustrating to the reporters
heretogetout 4y ago
I keep hoping someone will be gutsy enough to build and deploy a bumpbot (or bots!) to combat stalebot.
- OJFord 4y ago
  I keep hoping it will simply gain a way to say 'I still care, this is still an issue, there's no new information to add, (nor asked for!) it's just not being prioritised so please leave it open'. Or infer that after a couple of stale removals. Sure they close a lot of junk from drive-by question askers which helps maintainers, but they piss off a lot of good citizens providing information on actual bugs/feature requests that are just waiting for attention too.
  - heretogetout 4y ago
    Combine that with the CLA plague and you have a recipe for nothing but corporate-backed open source contributions. Individuals need not apply.
    - politician 4y ago
      An undead open-source project.
- dingleberry420 4y ago
  Not a bad idea. Should make it so it runs under user tokens so people can run it under their own accounts with their own message template.

_jal 4y ago

> I no longer report any bugs nor care. Past that point years back, kept going. I just don't use anything Gnome related, if I can help it. I have found some things that unfortunately use the toolkit and somehow manage to not be intentionally irritating, but I assume that's an oversight to be corrected once I'm dependent on it. Like is too short to use irritating software.

apozem 4y ago

This is the thing - if you're going to be like Apple and dictate design, you have to get it right. macOS and Apple hardware is not to everyone's taste, and they make mistakes, but they prototype and dogfood and iterate like crazy and they have thumbnails in the damn file picker. When you're picking a file, you can even tap space to get a blown-up preview of an image or PRF. I use this feature almost every time I need to pick an image.

Filligree 4y ago
> When you're picking a file, you can even tap space to get a blown-up preview of an image or PRF. I use this feature almost every time I need to pick an image. Wait, what? That would have been super useful, but how was I supposed to find out?
- jamesgeck0 4y ago
  This works in every Finder window; if there's a window with files you can use Quick Look. I'm not sure if it's documented anywhere anymore, but it's been around 15 years.
- apozem 4y ago
  It's not indicated anywhere visually. I don't even remember how I found out about it. This is a downside of macOS and iOS design - lot of hidden gestures. For example, you can right-click the text title of a Finder window to open a quick navigation to all the parent folders of the current directory.
  - skykooler 4y ago
    Wait, what? I knew about the spacebar thing but this one is new to me.
- brigade 4y ago
  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 or https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/view-and-edit-files-with-quick-look-mh14119/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/view-and-edit-files... I guess? First one also mentions the ⌘-click on a window's title

gtirloni 4y ago

This 1000x. Apparently it's called being "opinionated" nowadays.