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At this point, it has become evident that they don't "want" to support this feature. So you're limited to what KDE has to offer if you need this. Personally, I

At this point, it has become evident that they don't "want" to support this feature. So you're limited to what KDE has to offer if you need this. Personally, I've bailed on the whole DE thing. Take the tiling-wm-pill and move on. Now I have to deal with tumblerd random high-cpu usages and thunar's unexpected crashes.

bstar77 4y ago
I've not seen anyone using a tiling window manage with 32" and larger 4k displays. It's just an awful experience. I would use a tiling window manager (and have) on something like a chromebook or if I'm a youtuber that does everything in a VM at 1080p. I have a hybrid approach that I use with XFCE (aggressive window snapping with custom shortcuts), but it's hardly a typical tiling window manager experience. Regarding Thunar, I don't have any issues, but if you are not using it in XFCE, you might want to try and see what plugins you are loading. Some expect XFCE and could be the root of your issues.
- ubercow13 4y ago
  Something like i3 would work great on a monitor like that. Something like dwm maybe less so.
- tlamponi 4y ago
  > I've not seen anyone using a tiling window manage with 32" and larger 4k displays. It's just an awful experience. I'm using i3 / sway on both, my Workstation's 40" 21:9 (5120x2160) and my private 32" 16:9 4K displays, and see no reason why a bigger display, or one with a higher DPI, would make using a tiling window manager working worse, on the contrary, for me, it's all the more important to have good management if I got more "screen estate" to handle. IME using tiling WMs on bigger/HiDPI screens is a fantastic experience.
  - colinsane 4y ago
    i’m also enjoying sway specifically on large displays. 34” ultrawide (21:9) 3440x1440. i had gnome running on it for a while but i specifically switched to sway because it’s easier to make use of the ridiculous real-estate. i can have like 4 separate vertical splits before it gets cramped. no one wants to manually position 4 windows on a screen. i also run sway on my 14” laptop simply because i share my OS config between the two machines. i like its workspaces and notifications and being able to tweak `waybar` exactly how i want it, but the actual tiling functionality is pretty useless. at _most_ i’ll do two panes per workspace — at which point you’re in territory any DWM would do well in.
  - gassiss 4y ago
    When you have a single window in a workspace, isn't it too big? I feel like it would be weird having all my text on the left side of a huge monitor when I only have a single terminal in the workspace
    - ducktective 4y ago
      For single terminal in a single workspace, I use gaps around the window to center the terminal window. But usually one would need another terminal window by the side of it and that's when I get rid of the gaps.
    - tlamponi 4y ago
      Well I most of the time either split the screen into two halves, which is really nice if one needs to work with more than one application, searching some info on the right, pasting/writing it on the left) or for shells often use tmux and vim split views so that I can look at multiple files/source code lines and still have a ready to use terminal at hand. For example, I most of the time use the following layout at work: Workspace #1: Split into two stacked sides: - on the left there's firefox open (sometimes two windows to group tabs) - on the right there's my mailer (thunderbird but I dabbled with neomutt/notmuch too) - either side holds an occasional shell for some local or remote maintenance, quick calculation or doing something else Example screenshot https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace1.png https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace1.png (note I recently switched workstation and while at it I tried to switch from i3 to sway, so the top bar config is really plain due to me having yet to find some time to port over my old i3bar one to waybar or the like) Workspace #2: A single big tabbed assembly of terminal windows. Each connects to a development VM (different projects and or major releases, using Proxmox VE makes managing those VMs quite easy) via SSH, in there I'm running tmux with a small screen part for a shell on the left side and the remaining part for vim with split panes on the right side Example screenshot https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace2.png https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace2.png Further workspaces are then for ssh windows for more complex real tests on some servers. I use a lot of short-lived windows for terminal, browser, pdf-reader, ... and there the tiling window manager really shines, as I can effortless open those in some tens of milliseconds (MOD+Enter for terminals, MOD+D for my general window launcher), check what I need, maybe copy some text to the primary buffer by simply selecting it and then close it again With CTRL+D (EOF) for terminals or MOD+SHIFT+Q for any window.
- z0r 4y ago
  I don't (because I have 3 24" displays), but at least two of my coworkers have 32" and larger 4k displays and use i3
- tomtheelder 4y ago
  > I've not seen anyone using a tiling window manage with 32" and larger 4k displays. It's just an awful experience. I do this. How is it a bad experience? If anything I get more mileage out of my tiling WM on my large screen than I do on my laptop, where I tend to just use a lot of full screen apps and change tag/workspace a lot.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  I’ve never been able to make tiling work for me regardless of screen size. Windows constantly end up being awkward sizes that cause scrolling that would be unnecessary in a floating WM, and I’m constantly tweaking window sizes to try to make it less awkward. It’s very micromanage-y, and it drives me nuts. But I don’t live in a terminal and/or text editor — my most frequently used programs are IDEs, VCS UIs, and graphics editors… stuff with lots of panes and palettes and such. Simpler apps get use too, but it’s skewed enough that popping some apps into floating mode in a tiling WM isn’t enough. My ideal environment is floating-first with light optional tiling, like macOS with something like Moom installed.
  - mayama 4y ago
    You could do floating for all windows or for specific app in sway, that I'm using now, with for_window directive.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      Yep, most tiling WMs come with really solid floating window options. i3wm with floating windows by default is such a treat!
    - kitsunesoba 4y ago
      I could probably make it work, but I'm not fond of the ultra-minimal window chrome that's standard with tiling-first WMs. Much prefer more traditional mouse-centric window chrome with fancy styling like that of GNOME, XFCE, macOS, etc.
calvinmorrison 4y ago
I'm beyond grateful the Qt is not engineered by KDE. I am now running a hybrid setup with KDE + i3. It works really well because I get to have all my network settings, display settings, etc on the fly, I can use konqueror, and i still get i3 nicely.
- hallarempt 4y ago
  Except... It is. There are a lot of contributions by KDE volunteers to Qt.
synu 4y ago
Maybe you’ve tried it, but Xfce as DE plus i3 is for me the dream team.
- nobleach 4y ago
  I've done this. First I did pure BSPWM, then pure i3. Frankly, it's just too light for me. I spent so much time having to handle all these one-off scenarios like, hot-plugging multiple monitors, bluetooth, audio volume (with switching output when I plug into my big monitor). I had cobbled together so many scripts and I was constantly fighting with something that had worked the prior day. Having an actual environment under the hood made it much nicer.
amlib 4y ago
Meh, I'm so disilluded that I've resorted to using nautilus as my file picker and just drag 'n dropping files from it into the program I want to open the file with.
mayama 4y ago
I've had some weird issues with thunar too. Currently using spacefm after trying several options.
bityard 4y ago
> Take the tiling-wm-pill and move on. But that doesn't really solve the issue with the file picker...
- ducktective 4y ago
  Yes but in a tilling setting, a new window (say Thunar), right beside your main app is just a single key-combination away. And it places the window correctly too. So you can drag-drop the file and close the auxiliary window. Also, since a twm is not tied to a DE, you can pick KDE set of apps for example in i3. Then you'd have a file picker with thumbnails. That said, I do neither of those things and I suffer from this bug. So you are right in a sense.

bstar77 4y ago

I've not seen anyone using a tiling window manage with 32" and larger 4k displays. It's just an awful experience. I would use a tiling window manager (and have) on something like a chromebook or if I'm a youtuber that does everything in a VM at 1080p. I have a hybrid approach that I use with XFCE (aggressive window snapping with custom shortcuts), but it's hardly a typical tiling window manager experience. Regarding Thunar, I don't have any issues, but if you are not using it in XFCE, you might want to try and see what plugins you are loading. Some expect XFCE and could be the root of your issues.

ubercow13 4y ago
Something like i3 would work great on a monitor like that. Something like dwm maybe less so.
tlamponi 4y ago
> I've not seen anyone using a tiling window manage with 32" and larger 4k displays. It's just an awful experience. I'm using i3 / sway on both, my Workstation's 40" 21:9 (5120x2160) and my private 32" 16:9 4K displays, and see no reason why a bigger display, or one with a higher DPI, would make using a tiling window manager working worse, on the contrary, for me, it's all the more important to have good management if I got more "screen estate" to handle. IME using tiling WMs on bigger/HiDPI screens is a fantastic experience.
- colinsane 4y ago
  i’m also enjoying sway specifically on large displays. 34” ultrawide (21:9) 3440x1440. i had gnome running on it for a while but i specifically switched to sway because it’s easier to make use of the ridiculous real-estate. i can have like 4 separate vertical splits before it gets cramped. no one wants to manually position 4 windows on a screen. i also run sway on my 14” laptop simply because i share my OS config between the two machines. i like its workspaces and notifications and being able to tweak `waybar` exactly how i want it, but the actual tiling functionality is pretty useless. at _most_ i’ll do two panes per workspace — at which point you’re in territory any DWM would do well in.
- gassiss 4y ago
  When you have a single window in a workspace, isn't it too big? I feel like it would be weird having all my text on the left side of a huge monitor when I only have a single terminal in the workspace
  - ducktective 4y ago
    For single terminal in a single workspace, I use gaps around the window to center the terminal window. But usually one would need another terminal window by the side of it and that's when I get rid of the gaps.
  - tlamponi 4y ago
    Well I most of the time either split the screen into two halves, which is really nice if one needs to work with more than one application, searching some info on the right, pasting/writing it on the left) or for shells often use tmux and vim split views so that I can look at multiple files/source code lines and still have a ready to use terminal at hand. For example, I most of the time use the following layout at work: Workspace #1: Split into two stacked sides: - on the left there's firefox open (sometimes two windows to group tabs) - on the right there's my mailer (thunderbird but I dabbled with neomutt/notmuch too) - either side holds an occasional shell for some local or remote maintenance, quick calculation or doing something else Example screenshot https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace1.png https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace1.png (note I recently switched workstation and while at it I tried to switch from i3 to sway, so the top bar config is really plain due to me having yet to find some time to port over my old i3bar one to waybar or the like) Workspace #2: A single big tabbed assembly of terminal windows. Each connects to a development VM (different projects and or major releases, using Proxmox VE makes managing those VMs quite easy) via SSH, in there I'm running tmux with a small screen part for a shell on the left side and the remaining part for vim with split panes on the right side Example screenshot https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace2.png https://tlmp.it/d/scrot/sway-layout-workspace2.png Further workspaces are then for ssh windows for more complex real tests on some servers. I use a lot of short-lived windows for terminal, browser, pdf-reader, ... and there the tiling window manager really shines, as I can effortless open those in some tens of milliseconds (MOD+Enter for terminals, MOD+D for my general window launcher), check what I need, maybe copy some text to the primary buffer by simply selecting it and then close it again With CTRL+D (EOF) for terminals or MOD+SHIFT+Q for any window.
z0r 4y ago
I don't (because I have 3 24" displays), but at least two of my coworkers have 32" and larger 4k displays and use i3
tomtheelder 4y ago
> I've not seen anyone using a tiling window manage with 32" and larger 4k displays. It's just an awful experience. I do this. How is it a bad experience? If anything I get more mileage out of my tiling WM on my large screen than I do on my laptop, where I tend to just use a lot of full screen apps and change tag/workspace a lot.
kitsunesoba 4y ago
I’ve never been able to make tiling work for me regardless of screen size. Windows constantly end up being awkward sizes that cause scrolling that would be unnecessary in a floating WM, and I’m constantly tweaking window sizes to try to make it less awkward. It’s very micromanage-y, and it drives me nuts. But I don’t live in a terminal and/or text editor — my most frequently used programs are IDEs, VCS UIs, and graphics editors… stuff with lots of panes and palettes and such. Simpler apps get use too, but it’s skewed enough that popping some apps into floating mode in a tiling WM isn’t enough. My ideal environment is floating-first with light optional tiling, like macOS with something like Moom installed.
- mayama 4y ago
  You could do floating for all windows or for specific app in sway, that I'm using now, with for_window directive.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    Yep, most tiling WMs come with really solid floating window options. i3wm with floating windows by default is such a treat!
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    I could probably make it work, but I'm not fond of the ultra-minimal window chrome that's standard with tiling-first WMs. Much prefer more traditional mouse-centric window chrome with fancy styling like that of GNOME, XFCE, macOS, etc.

calvinmorrison 4y ago

I'm beyond grateful the Qt is not engineered by KDE. I am now running a hybrid setup with KDE + i3. It works really well because I get to have all my network settings, display settings, etc on the fly, I can use konqueror, and i still get i3 nicely.

hallarempt 4y ago
Except... It is. There are a lot of contributions by KDE volunteers to Qt.

synu 4y ago

Maybe you’ve tried it, but Xfce as DE plus i3 is for me the dream team.

nobleach 4y ago
I've done this. First I did pure BSPWM, then pure i3. Frankly, it's just too light for me. I spent so much time having to handle all these one-off scenarios like, hot-plugging multiple monitors, bluetooth, audio volume (with switching output when I plug into my big monitor). I had cobbled together so many scripts and I was constantly fighting with something that had worked the prior day. Having an actual environment under the hood made it much nicer.

amlib 4y ago

Meh, I'm so disilluded that I've resorted to using nautilus as my file picker and just drag 'n dropping files from it into the program I want to open the file with.

mayama 4y ago

I've had some weird issues with thunar too. Currently using spacefm after trying several options.

bityard 4y ago

> Take the tiling-wm-pill and move on. But that doesn't really solve the issue with the file picker...

ducktective 4y ago
Yes but in a tilling setting, a new window (say Thunar), right beside your main app is just a single key-combination away. And it places the window correctly too. So you can drag-drop the file and close the auxiliary window. Also, since a twm is not tied to a DE, you can pick KDE set of apps for example in i3. Then you'd have a file picker with thumbnails. That said, I do neither of those things and I suffer from this bug. So you are right in a sense.