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I think the market is flooded with supplements, while you can help your gut bacteria with natural products like kefir (kind of buttermilk), kombucha, kimchi lik

by wtk 4y ago

I think the market is flooded with supplements, while you can help your gut bacteria with natural products like kefir (kind of buttermilk), kombucha, kimchi like products. I happen to love all those mentioned.

0daystock 4y ago
Those are all very bad recommendations. Buttermilk is loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat, kombucha with sugar, and fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma. You want to regulate your gut flora with a variety of whole plant-based foods, not quick fixes like pills and a jar of stinky cabbage.
- enviclash 4y ago
  You are telling me milk kefir is the cause of health issues? I would suggest limiting it to a few spoons a few times per week, then.
  - glogla 4y ago
    How would you make that practical? How long can you keep a bottle of kefir open before it goes bad?
    - enviclash 4y ago
      I have half glass of milk with kefir cultures, only, and I keep in the fridge. I use it also ad sauce, because the cultures get big and it gets concentrated and strong.
- monadgonad 4y ago
  Neither dietary cholesterol nor saturated fat nor sugar are bad in moderation, and that's completely orthogonal to the point of them providing probiotics.
  - 0daystock 4y ago
    Motor oil could provide probiotics if cultured - wouldn't make it healthy to consume, except in "moderation".
- blindmute 4y ago
  > milk is loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat Neither of these are bad for you, just don't be obese > kombucha with sugar Every bottle of kombucha I have ever seen has at most 16g of non-added sugar from fruits, the same as a banana > fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma Fake / trash science. More studies say the opposite than agree with this
  - 0daystock 4y ago
    > Neither of these are bad for you, just don't be obese Every nutritional authority in the world disagrees. > Every bottle of kombucha I have ever seen has at most 16g of non-added sugar from fruits, the same as a banana Right, sugar from a drink and banana are identical, even though only one has fiber. What mental gymnastics! > Fake / trash science. More studies say the opposite than agree with this Why didn't you cite them?
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- MrDresden 4y ago
  > "fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma." Since you did not link to any literature backing up your claim, I want to share this paper[0] as a counterpoint. Kimchi has been found to have active ANTI-cancerous effects, opposite to your claim. Please change my mind with referenced material. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285955/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285955/
  - 0daystock 4y ago
    Do preserved foods increase prostate cancer risk? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409746/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409746/ Vegetables, but not pickled vegetables, are negatively associated with the risk of breast cancer https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20432165/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20432165/ Your study was in vitro and given the authors' background and affiliation was most likely made to promote agricultural production.
enviclash 4y ago
Same here, loving all things fermented! I am surprised people actually spend on probiotics, while kefir cultures (et alli) are so easy to buy.

by wtk 4y ago

0daystock 4y ago

Those are all very bad recommendations. Buttermilk is loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat, kombucha with sugar, and fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma. You want to regulate your gut flora with a variety of whole plant-based foods, not quick fixes like pills and a jar of stinky cabbage.

enviclash 4y ago
You are telling me milk kefir is the cause of health issues? I would suggest limiting it to a few spoons a few times per week, then.
- glogla 4y ago
  How would you make that practical? How long can you keep a bottle of kefir open before it goes bad?
  - enviclash 4y ago
    I have half glass of milk with kefir cultures, only, and I keep in the fridge. I use it also ad sauce, because the cultures get big and it gets concentrated and strong.
monadgonad 4y ago
Neither dietary cholesterol nor saturated fat nor sugar are bad in moderation, and that's completely orthogonal to the point of them providing probiotics.
- 0daystock 4y ago
  Motor oil could provide probiotics if cultured - wouldn't make it healthy to consume, except in "moderation".
blindmute 4y ago
> milk is loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat Neither of these are bad for you, just don't be obese > kombucha with sugar Every bottle of kombucha I have ever seen has at most 16g of non-added sugar from fruits, the same as a banana > fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma Fake / trash science. More studies say the opposite than agree with this
- 0daystock 4y ago
  > Neither of these are bad for you, just don't be obese Every nutritional authority in the world disagrees. > Every bottle of kombucha I have ever seen has at most 16g of non-added sugar from fruits, the same as a banana Right, sugar from a drink and banana are identical, even though only one has fiber. What mental gymnastics! > Fake / trash science. More studies say the opposite than agree with this Why didn't you cite them?
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MrDresden 4y ago
> "fermented vegetables like kimchi have shown to increase prostate adenocarcinoma." Since you did not link to any literature backing up your claim, I want to share this paper[0] as a counterpoint. Kimchi has been found to have active ANTI-cancerous effects, opposite to your claim. Please change my mind with referenced material. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285955/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4285955/
- 0daystock 4y ago
  Do preserved foods increase prostate cancer risk? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409746/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2409746/ Vegetables, but not pickled vegetables, are negatively associated with the risk of breast cancer https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20432165/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20432165/ Your study was in vitro and given the authors' background and affiliation was most likely made to promote agricultural production.

enviclash 4y ago

Same here, loving all things fermented! I am surprised people actually spend on probiotics, while kefir cultures (et alli) are so easy to buy.