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When they realize the vast majority of people completely reject this view, its holders will turn to ecofascism.

mistrial9 4y ago
I find it psychologically compelling, that for the last two decades, I have read shouts of "eco fascists" here in California and elsewhere, by people "warning us" that this will happen. Yet what has in fact happened, is that tracking of individuals location via GPS in autos and cell phone has become common, that facial recognition profiles have become common, and extensive, detailed records of individual finances have become common. All of those things are legal, and who runs them? who has access to them? who builds the systems to maintain them? hint- not hippies with shotguns The psychology of declaring the "enemy is here" and at the same time enacting exactly the kinds of intrusive surveillance that would be "enemy" ... is .. morbidly compelling to see it unfold. Some people saw "lockdowns" in prison and decided to use the same word for actions at public school when a safety threat occurs. School lockdowns preceded covid-19 lockdowns, which have changed political history. Now in the arid Western USA, Australia and a few other places, climate related "lockdown" or enforced evacuation, are part of public policy. How is a "lockdown" enforced? with GPS, with trivial financial records checked, and identity linked to facial recognition at the gas station or convenience store. This is not "eco-fascists" doing any of this.. its a literal reversal of logic to claim "eco facists" are the threat here; moronic, paranoid, accusatory politics. This forum is a place where thinking, informed people can see and discuss this sort of development, with the tech link as a basis.
- worker_person 4y ago
  Look at China to see where all this tech is headed. One party rule. Anyone that disagrees with the party is silenced.
mistrial9 4y ago
I think "eco fascist" is a ridiculous, dark mirror name calling against people who resist Big Oil and all that goes with it... likely to be a rallying cry for violence against non-violent people, too.. let's be real.
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  In fairness, the realist / scientific viewpoint of limits to growth has seen violent opposition from both the ideological right and left. Nobody likes having their parade rained on. Mauricio Schoijet's "Limits to Growth and the Rise of Catastrophism" (1999) details this. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/3985399 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/3985399 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3985399 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3985399 (I believe PDF is available, otherwise try LibGen / Sci-Hub.) You'll find the right decrying eco-fascism, and institutions of the left, such as the SPLC (with which I generally find common cause) labeling advocates of growth limits as ethno-nationalists. Somewhat inaccurately in at least one case ("Tragedy of the Commons").

I find it psychologically compelling, that for the last two decades, I have read shouts of "eco fascists" here in California and elsewhere, by people "warning us" that this will happen. Yet what has in fact happened, is that tracking of individuals location via GPS in autos and cell phone has become common, that facial recognition profiles have become common, and extensive, detailed records of individual finances have become common. All of those things are legal, and who runs them? who has access to them? who builds the systems to maintain them? hint- not hippies with shotguns The psychology of declaring the "enemy is here" and at the same time enacting exactly the kinds of intrusive surveillance that would be "enemy" ... is .. morbidly compelling to see it unfold. Some people saw "lockdowns" in prison and decided to use the same word for actions at public school when a safety threat occurs. School lockdowns preceded covid-19 lockdowns, which have changed political history. Now in the arid Western USA, Australia and a few other places, climate related "lockdown" or enforced evacuation, are part of public policy. How is a "lockdown" enforced? with GPS, with trivial financial records checked, and identity linked to facial recognition at the gas station or convenience store. This is not "eco-fascists" doing any of this.. its a literal reversal of logic to claim "eco facists" are the threat here; moronic, paranoid, accusatory politics. This forum is a place where thinking, informed people can see and discuss this sort of development, with the tech link as a basis.

worker_person 4y ago
Look at China to see where all this tech is headed. One party rule. Anyone that disagrees with the party is silenced.

mistrial9 4y ago

I think "eco fascist" is a ridiculous, dark mirror name calling against people who resist Big Oil and all that goes with it... likely to be a rallying cry for violence against non-violent people, too.. let's be real.

dredmorbius 4y ago
In fairness, the realist / scientific viewpoint of limits to growth has seen violent opposition from both the ideological right and left. Nobody likes having their parade rained on. Mauricio Schoijet's "Limits to Growth and the Rise of Catastrophism" (1999) details this. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/3985399 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.2307/3985399 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3985399 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3985399 (I believe PDF is available, otherwise try LibGen / Sci-Hub.) You'll find the right decrying eco-fascism, and institutions of the left, such as the SPLC (with which I generally find common cause) labeling advocates of growth limits as ethno-nationalists. Somewhat inaccurately in at least one case ("Tragedy of the Commons").