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Unionizing is not lame. It's about a balance of power between owners and workers.

blocked_again 4y ago
If you want balance of power improve your skills and get job in a company that values you more. There would never be perfect balance of power. It's not real life.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  Alternatively we unionize and see that balance of power happen. It’s funny all this anti union speak and then when companies are faced with it suddenly their purses start opening up.
  - scollet 4y ago
- danieldevries 4y ago
  It's not about perfection, quite a misnomer of an argument imo. You would be the kind of person that 100 years ago would probably be against woman getting the vote - "It's not about equality, that's not real life"
  - blocked_again 4y ago
    No. I would be saying them if they want to vote, move to a country which values them and give them the right to vote. Just like millions of people ditched communist countries and moved to USA.
    - danieldevries 4y ago
      You are changing the goal posts. On an individual level that might all be fine 'in a perfect world', but moving somewhere else, improving ones skills, not a given at all. You sound bitter and lack empathy.
      - blocked_again 4y ago
        If the problem is big enough for you, you are perfectly capable of changing company or country. If not, it's not important for you or you don't care enough to put in the work.
        danieldevries 4y ago
        Now that comes across as some perfect utopia. Maybe certain people don't want to stick their neck out in fear of losing job, which is not possible since they have to support a family. Etc. You live in a hypothetical dream world.
        blocked_again 4y ago
        If you live in fear of loosing job you have far more important things to work on first than changing company culture.
    - scollet 4y ago
- scollet 4y ago
OrvalWintermute 4y ago
I used to have a dim opinion of unions because of some media and some political views. Now I would describe it as much more nuanced. In working with some public sector unions though, arguing for management, I've actually seen very different focuses in play: namely efficiency. The unions with whom I work are definitely about fair labor practices, and pre-decisional input, and that is just common sense though. In working with them I was very impressed with what I saw. They never talked politics, only members, and issues confronting them regarding efficiency which was in their agreement with management. Now, on the other hand, had a neighbor that was high up in leadership of a national union. He never talked with me about efficiency, or his members, just continual rants around a specific political party, and how he was attending political events from his political party.

If you want balance of power improve your skills and get job in a company that values you more. There would never be perfect balance of power. It's not real life.

aaomidi 4y ago
Alternatively we unionize and see that balance of power happen. It’s funny all this anti union speak and then when companies are faced with it suddenly their purses start opening up.
- scollet 4y ago
danieldevries 4y ago
It's not about perfection, quite a misnomer of an argument imo. You would be the kind of person that 100 years ago would probably be against woman getting the vote - "It's not about equality, that's not real life"
- blocked_again 4y ago
  No. I would be saying them if they want to vote, move to a country which values them and give them the right to vote. Just like millions of people ditched communist countries and moved to USA.
  - danieldevries 4y ago
    You are changing the goal posts. On an individual level that might all be fine 'in a perfect world', but moving somewhere else, improving ones skills, not a given at all. You sound bitter and lack empathy.
    - blocked_again 4y ago
      If the problem is big enough for you, you are perfectly capable of changing company or country. If not, it's not important for you or you don't care enough to put in the work.
      - danieldevries 4y ago
        Now that comes across as some perfect utopia. Maybe certain people don't want to stick their neck out in fear of losing job, which is not possible since they have to support a family. Etc. You live in a hypothetical dream world.
        blocked_again 4y ago
        If you live in fear of loosing job you have far more important things to work on first than changing company culture.
  - scollet 4y ago
scollet 4y ago

OrvalWintermute 4y ago

I used to have a dim opinion of unions because of some media and some political views. Now I would describe it as much more nuanced. In working with some public sector unions though, arguing for management, I've actually seen very different focuses in play: namely efficiency. The unions with whom I work are definitely about fair labor practices, and pre-decisional input, and that is just common sense though. In working with them I was very impressed with what I saw. They never talked politics, only members, and issues confronting them regarding efficiency which was in their agreement with management. Now, on the other hand, had a neighbor that was high up in leadership of a national union. He never talked with me about efficiency, or his members, just continual rants around a specific political party, and how he was attending political events from his political party.