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Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. > he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy

by Tepix 4y ago

Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. > he'll be loudly proclaiming his support of democracy Unlikely, given his dependence on China - he'll stay quiet, just like Tim Cook does at Apple.

mcguire 4y ago
I rather suspect that Musk's definition of democracy aligns well with the Chinese government.
- smotched 4y ago
  Why does it feel like I'm on reddit? what kind of nonsensical statement is this?
itsoktocry 4y ago
>Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. I think they are. "Silicon Valley" is an idea or abstraction now, rather than a geographic location.
- honkdaddy 4y ago
  Is it though? I’m a FAANG engineer in NYC and explicitly don’t consider myself an SV engineer.
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nocoolnametom 4y ago
I should have just left out the "Silicon Valley" part of that, true. Unionization of developers and technology workers is starting, but remains slow because unions are usually formed when the cost of speaking out becomes worth more than enduring the negatives and unreasonably low pay is usually one of the biggest issues for workers and we don't really have pay issues. Musk's approach to treating his employees as cogs in his machines, to the point of becoming belligerent when they assert their human individuality, could be an accelerant in forming unions even in this high-pay sector.
- taf2 4y ago
  I think anyone in the tech sector that wants to be apart of a union should go work for the government for a few years… then decide if that is what they really want…
  - pineaux 4y ago
    Because Union and Government are, of course, as everyone knows, unmistakeably, just another name for the same thing...
  - _jal 4y ago
    Right, right, as everyone knows all unions and all government jobs are pretty much the same, and your phrasing clearly demonstrates your deep experience with both.
- smotched 4y ago
  Do you guys really just think of unions as just being a good thing? you see no issues with this massive unions at all?
  - _jal 4y ago
    First, have you ever asked (even if just yourself) if anyone sees an issue with massive corporations? The second thing is that it isn't the right question. Anything make by humans is imperfect. The question is, does union representation lead to better outcomes for a larger number of people? And the answer is pretty clearly yes.
    - smotched 4y ago
      The answer to "massive corporations" isn't another massive corporation. These unions operate in the same manner as corporations but produce nothing. The ones at the top get massive bonuses and get filthy rich from your paycheck. Also the amount of corruption within these organization is insane. They also lobby like corporations (just ask biden) They ARE "corporations" masquerading as a good cause, does that remind you of any tech giants?
jeffwask 4y ago
I think they both have a significant number of software engineers but I think astrophysicists, aeronautical engineers, and etc likely fall in a similar bucket as software engineers as far as supply and demand / leverage go. I'm sure recruiters at Boeing, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic are lighting up phones today.

by Tepix 4y ago

mcguire 4y ago

I rather suspect that Musk's definition of democracy aligns well with the Chinese government.

smotched 4y ago
Why does it feel like I'm on reddit? what kind of nonsensical statement is this?

itsoktocry 4y ago

>Are the people working at SpaceX and Tesla "Silicon Valley tech workers"? I think most of them aren't. I think they are. "Silicon Valley" is an idea or abstraction now, rather than a geographic location.

honkdaddy 4y ago
Is it though? I’m a FAANG engineer in NYC and explicitly don’t consider myself an SV engineer.
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nocoolnametom 4y ago

I should have just left out the "Silicon Valley" part of that, true. Unionization of developers and technology workers is starting, but remains slow because unions are usually formed when the cost of speaking out becomes worth more than enduring the negatives and unreasonably low pay is usually one of the biggest issues for workers and we don't really have pay issues. Musk's approach to treating his employees as cogs in his machines, to the point of becoming belligerent when they assert their human individuality, could be an accelerant in forming unions even in this high-pay sector.

taf2 4y ago
I think anyone in the tech sector that wants to be apart of a union should go work for the government for a few years… then decide if that is what they really want…
- pineaux 4y ago
  Because Union and Government are, of course, as everyone knows, unmistakeably, just another name for the same thing...
- _jal 4y ago
  Right, right, as everyone knows all unions and all government jobs are pretty much the same, and your phrasing clearly demonstrates your deep experience with both.
smotched 4y ago
Do you guys really just think of unions as just being a good thing? you see no issues with this massive unions at all?
- _jal 4y ago
  First, have you ever asked (even if just yourself) if anyone sees an issue with massive corporations? The second thing is that it isn't the right question. Anything make by humans is imperfect. The question is, does union representation lead to better outcomes for a larger number of people? And the answer is pretty clearly yes.
  - smotched 4y ago
    The answer to "massive corporations" isn't another massive corporation. These unions operate in the same manner as corporations but produce nothing. The ones at the top get massive bonuses and get filthy rich from your paycheck. Also the amount of corruption within these organization is insane. They also lobby like corporations (just ask biden) They ARE "corporations" masquerading as a good cause, does that remind you of any tech giants?

jeffwask 4y ago

I think they both have a significant number of software engineers but I think astrophysicists, aeronautical engineers, and etc likely fall in a similar bucket as software engineers as far as supply and demand / leverage go. I'm sure recruiters at Boeing, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic are lighting up phones today.