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The UK could have looked at the evidence and decided it wasn’t a crime according to UK law and hence he shouldn’t be extradited. I haven’t looked at the evidenc

The UK could have looked at the evidence and decided it wasn’t a crime according to UK law and hence he shouldn’t be extradited. I haven’t looked at the evidence for a while, but last I checked I didn’t even understand how his actions were a crime according to US law. So yeah the UK has leeway here. Why pretend otherwise? edit: Why would I receive downvotes for this? https://www.gov.uk/guidance/extradition-processes-and-review#extradition-from-the-uk-category-2-territories https://www.gov.uk/guidance/extradition-processes-and-review... Extradition hearing """ The extradition hearing before the District Judge is where most of the issues in the case are decided. The CPS will represent the requesting State in the proceedings. The judge must be satisfied that the conduct amounts to an extradition offence (dual criminality), that there is prima facie evidence of guilt (where applicable and in accusation cases), and that none of the bars to extradition apply, including that extradition would not breach the person’s human rights. """ The judge could both not believe that dual criminality is satisfied and could also believe the supposed evidence isn't good enough.

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SilverBirch 4y ago
The UK did look at the evidence to the level of scrutiny as agreed in the extradition treaty and decided he should be extradited. This isn't some hypothetical, Assange got a fair hearing at every court in the land up to the supreme court, and the judges came to the conclusion that he should be extradited. This isn't some hypothetical, it is a matter of law that his extradition is legal. And just to put a real fine point on this: The UK judges all the way up to the Supreme court did look at the evidence, and decided against him. Which I would say is a much more reasonable approach than your argument that he shouldn't be extradited based on not having looked at the evidence for a while. It's not even like it's incomprehensible, they published their judgements at every single stage. Here, it's page 27 of this document: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/USA-v-As...
- ttybird2 4y ago
  "Assange got a fair hearing at every court in the land up to the supreme court" This is debatable, especically for anyone who followed Murray's reporting. Here are a few random links that I had bookmarked that give a different opinion. I could possibly find more but I really do not want to spend the rest of the day on this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29508528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29508528 https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/09/why-are-amnesty-international-monitors-not-able-to-observe-the-assange-hearing/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/09/why-are-amnes... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24503896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24503896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24526096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24526096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27881936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27881936 I also think that you misunderstood what the parent said, I took it to mean that the court could deny it because they could hypothetically decide that it wasn’t a crime according to UK law
  - SilverBirch 4y ago
    I think this really lays it out clearly now where you're coming from. I point to a whole series of judgements that lay out in clear legal text why and how they came to the decision to extradite Assange and you reply with essentially a claim that one of the most respected judges in the country is biased because he's friends with a government minister. Guess what? That is literally not evidence. It's literally a case of: On the one hand we have the expert legal opinions of a series of the top judges in the country, on the other hand we have some amateur internet slueths.
FireBeyond 4y ago
You are probably receiving downvotes because of your assumption that based on the evidence -you've- looked at (which I would suspect is probably a single digit percentage at most of all the evidence presented), and decided "Oh, I don't see a problem here, so why would the UK Courts", when plainly, that's not exactly the way of things.

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SilverBirch 4y ago

The UK did look at the evidence to the level of scrutiny as agreed in the extradition treaty and decided he should be extradited. This isn't some hypothetical, Assange got a fair hearing at every court in the land up to the supreme court, and the judges came to the conclusion that he should be extradited. This isn't some hypothetical, it is a matter of law that his extradition is legal. And just to put a real fine point on this: The UK judges all the way up to the Supreme court did look at the evidence, and decided against him. Which I would say is a much more reasonable approach than your argument that he shouldn't be extradited based on not having looked at the evidence for a while. It's not even like it's incomprehensible, they published their judgements at every single stage. Here, it's page 27 of this document: https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/USA-v-Assange-judgment-040121.pdf https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/USA-v-As...

ttybird2 4y ago
"Assange got a fair hearing at every court in the land up to the supreme court" This is debatable, especically for anyone who followed Murray's reporting. Here are a few random links that I had bookmarked that give a different opinion. I could possibly find more but I really do not want to spend the rest of the day on this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29508528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29508528 https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/09/why-are-amnesty-international-monitors-not-able-to-observe-the-assange-hearing/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/09/why-are-amnes... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24505438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24503896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24503896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24526096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24526096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27881936 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27881936 I also think that you misunderstood what the parent said, I took it to mean that the court could deny it because they could hypothetically decide that it wasn’t a crime according to UK law
- SilverBirch 4y ago
  I think this really lays it out clearly now where you're coming from. I point to a whole series of judgements that lay out in clear legal text why and how they came to the decision to extradite Assange and you reply with essentially a claim that one of the most respected judges in the country is biased because he's friends with a government minister. Guess what? That is literally not evidence. It's literally a case of: On the one hand we have the expert legal opinions of a series of the top judges in the country, on the other hand we have some amateur internet slueths.

FireBeyond 4y ago

You are probably receiving downvotes because of your assumption that based on the evidence -you've- looked at (which I would suspect is probably a single digit percentage at most of all the evidence presented), and decided "Oh, I don't see a problem here, so why would the UK Courts", when plainly, that's not exactly the way of things.