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"Rich" isn't the first thing that comes to most people's minds when they hear about Steve Jobs, any more than "powerful" comes to their minds when they hear abo
by time_management 18y ago
"Rich" isn't the first thing that comes to most people's minds when they hear about Steve Jobs, any more than "powerful" comes to their minds when they hear about Barack Obama. People think of them as "successful", because they like those who have vision and succeed at implementing it, but "the rich" and "the powerful" have negative connotations. There's a one-step mental transition in realizing that, in fact, Steve Jobs is rich (but that's okay) because he is successful, and likewise for Obama.
Silicon Valley is ostensibly positive-sum. Some of what occurs on Wall Street is also positive-sum: for example, arbitrage and market-making provide liquidity to markets. Some financial activity, however, is not. Unfortunately for Wall Street's reputation, people tend to focus on the activities that are excessive and destructive, such as the subprime mortgage fiasco.
In general, people tend to resent most those who make money in manners that are zero-sum (or negative-sum). Examples of this would be NYC landlords, who are becoming inordinately rich based entirely on others' pain and misfortune, and health insurance executives, who enrich themselves by charging ridiculous premiums and then denying care to sick people. Most people, when they think of Wall Street, think of traders; few would draw the distinction between, say, corporate finance and what traders do. Trading isn't actually zero-sum, given that it provides liquidity, but it seems to most people like a zero-sum game, and so it's not well respected.
- asdf333 18y agoI agree w/ your point except the part about trading being a value-added activity. Liquidity, if you ask Warren Buffett, is overrated. When people trade AAPL, for example, there is a loser and a winner. The real value is not created by those trading AAPL it is created by Steve Jobs and those working at AAPL. While trading is not zero-sum, it is a mostly zero-sum activity. You might say. AIG may beg to differ, since it went under for liquidity, rather than solvency reasons. However if you don't employ dangerous amounts of leverage, it is not an issue. There are plenty of insurance companies in business who didn't dance too close to the edge like AIG did.
- gaius 18y agoYes and no. The price of AAPL is whatever people are willing to pay for it. AAPL is effectively a currency; Apple can use it to acquire other companies. Without an active secondary market, stock can't play this role at all.
- asdf333 18y agoSure. I am not saying we shouldn't have a secondary market. I am saying: "Hey if professional traders did not exist, the markets may be a bit slower but it'll still work." So yes, they provide liquidity but...at least in today's markets the CDO traders are not doing their job on the liquidity front! :)