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"a few km" seems like a weird way to put it, as a "few" is typically 2 or 3. And just specifying "US" and "Canada" is weird, as an archive in the US and Canada

by b112 4y ago

"a few km" seems like a weird way to put it, as a "few" is typically 2 or 3. And just specifying "US" and "Canada" is weird, as an archive in the US and Canada, could be separated by 10000km without any effort. That said, these archives are close, but I beleive the real reason for this, are things such as take down, erasure, and other court requests in the US, would not apply in Canada. This is doubly true, if you don't serve data to US citizens from Canada. So it allows for easy physical maintenance trips, a second off-site backup (weather, rioting, looting, earthquake, etc) unlikely to take-out both. I also think South American countries are far more likely to descend into rioting, violent takovers, coups by armies/etc, than any place in North America.

switchbak 4y ago
I wouldn't assume anything with our current (Canadian) government, especially if the US government applied strong leverage to try to get material removed. Even looking at recent history with (purported) terrorists, our record at resisting US pressure is not good. Putting it in Vancouver is also not the greatest idea when you factor in earthquake risk, although it's far enough away from San Francisco as to provide a reasonable backup. I'm sure there are other factors that come into it though, and I'm sure it makes sense on the whole.
- wk_end 4y ago
  I wouldn't just say "current" - Canadian governments have been pretty subservient (for obvious reasons) to the US since WWII, at least.
  - b112 4y ago
    What a weird subthread, with made up, unsubstantiated claims. It also shows a shocking lack of understanding. The "Canadian Government", being the executive branch in this case, has no bearing on this. US requests to seize assets, force shutdowns would be handled by Canadian courts, the judicial branch. Which do not kowtow to anyone politically, US or otherwise, and never, ever have.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  oddly though - in some science and software themes, Canada is more closely aligned to the EU and Commonwealth than the USA. (American here..)
iso1631 4y ago
> So it allows for easy physical maintenance trips, a second off-site backup (weather, rioting, looting, earthquake, etc) unlikely to take-out both. > I also think South American countries are far more likely to descend into rioting, violent takovers, coups by armies/etc, than any place in North America. North America is constantly hit by various disasters, from earthquakes along the ring of fire to hurricans on the south and east coasts, to ridiculous cold weather in the continents. For more manmade disasters, George Floyd aftermath and Jan 6th 2021 would tend to disagree. Switzerland would be a good place for an archive. Connected, stable, neutral
- robonerd 4y ago
  > For more manmade disasters, George Floyd aftermath and Jan 6th 2021 would tend to disagree. Switzerland would be a good place for an archive. Connected, stable, neutral The threat of a Nazi invasion of Switzerland was a more severe threat to civil order in Switzerland than any protest or riot in America or Canada in the past century. > Nazi Germany repeatedly violated Swiss airspace. During the Battle of France in 1940, German aircraft violated Swiss airspace at least 197 times.[17] In several air incidents, the Swiss shot down 11 Luftwaffe aircraft between 10 May and 17 June 1940, while suffering the loss of three of their own aircraft.[17] Germany protested diplomatically on 5 June and with a second note on 19 June which contained explicit threats. Hitler was especially furious when he saw that German equipment was used to shoot down German pilots. He said they would respond "in another manner".[17] On 20 June, the Swiss air force was ordered to stop intercepting planes violating Swiss airspace. Swiss fighters began instead to force intruding aircraft to land at Swiss airfields. Anti-aircraft units still operated. Later, Hitler and Hermann Göring sent saboteurs to destroy Swiss airfields but they were captured by Swiss troops before they could cause any damage.[18] Skirmishes between German and Swiss troops took place on the northern border of Switzerland throughout the war.[citation needed]

by b112 4y ago

switchbak 4y ago

I wouldn't assume anything with our current (Canadian) government, especially if the US government applied strong leverage to try to get material removed. Even looking at recent history with (purported) terrorists, our record at resisting US pressure is not good. Putting it in Vancouver is also not the greatest idea when you factor in earthquake risk, although it's far enough away from San Francisco as to provide a reasonable backup. I'm sure there are other factors that come into it though, and I'm sure it makes sense on the whole.

wk_end 4y ago
I wouldn't just say "current" - Canadian governments have been pretty subservient (for obvious reasons) to the US since WWII, at least.
- b112 4y ago
  What a weird subthread, with made up, unsubstantiated claims. It also shows a shocking lack of understanding. The "Canadian Government", being the executive branch in this case, has no bearing on this. US requests to seize assets, force shutdowns would be handled by Canadian courts, the judicial branch. Which do not kowtow to anyone politically, US or otherwise, and never, ever have.
mistrial9 4y ago
oddly though - in some science and software themes, Canada is more closely aligned to the EU and Commonwealth than the USA. (American here..)

iso1631 4y ago

> So it allows for easy physical maintenance trips, a second off-site backup (weather, rioting, looting, earthquake, etc) unlikely to take-out both. > I also think South American countries are far more likely to descend into rioting, violent takovers, coups by armies/etc, than any place in North America. North America is constantly hit by various disasters, from earthquakes along the ring of fire to hurricans on the south and east coasts, to ridiculous cold weather in the continents. For more manmade disasters, George Floyd aftermath and Jan 6th 2021 would tend to disagree. Switzerland would be a good place for an archive. Connected, stable, neutral

robonerd 4y ago
> For more manmade disasters, George Floyd aftermath and Jan 6th 2021 would tend to disagree. Switzerland would be a good place for an archive. Connected, stable, neutral The threat of a Nazi invasion of Switzerland was a more severe threat to civil order in Switzerland than any protest or riot in America or Canada in the past century. > Nazi Germany repeatedly violated Swiss airspace. During the Battle of France in 1940, German aircraft violated Swiss airspace at least 197 times.[17] In several air incidents, the Swiss shot down 11 Luftwaffe aircraft between 10 May and 17 June 1940, while suffering the loss of three of their own aircraft.[17] Germany protested diplomatically on 5 June and with a second note on 19 June which contained explicit threats. Hitler was especially furious when he saw that German equipment was used to shoot down German pilots. He said they would respond "in another manner".[17] On 20 June, the Swiss air force was ordered to stop intercepting planes violating Swiss airspace. Swiss fighters began instead to force intruding aircraft to land at Swiss airfields. Anti-aircraft units still operated. Later, Hitler and Hermann Göring sent saboteurs to destroy Swiss airfields but they were captured by Swiss troops before they could cause any damage.[18] Skirmishes between German and Swiss troops took place on the northern border of Switzerland throughout the war.[citation needed]