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SVB site UX has been "dated" since at least 2014. Good service tho.

cvccvroomvroom 4y ago
I could care less about UX. If it looked like Larry Wall's personal site, but functioned well and was reliable (tech and relationships), I'd pick them every time. If it ain't broke, don't break it. ;) PS: SVB's site has always looked a bit behind the times like that they never cared enough to make it look glitzy because functionality and communication were considered first. Slick websites also give a captological impression of overcompensating, so perhaps decompensating is an important contrary corollary for basic utility services.
- hgomersall 4y ago
  "functioned well and was reliable" _is_ UX. Having a pretty site might improve the user experience, but being broken and unreliable will have a far bigger impact.
  - pc86 4y ago
    If that's what most people thought of when the thought of UX, even here, then the phrase "the UX is dated" wouldn't mean anything. "The reliability is dated" is not a sentence that anyone says.
parkaboy 4y ago
It's almost sort of endearing, but not actually. The fact that they use SMS-based 2FA (at least through 2021) is a travesty and a bit concerning, though. Edit: since I can't reply to response below (I think due to thread depth topping out). To clarify: they ONLY support SMS-based 2FA. No TOTP. Sure, other services offer SMS as well, but you wouldn't want to use that for securing any serious amounts of money (millions of dollars).
- cvccvroomvroom 4y ago
  Lmao. That's some bikeshedding. Let me name other SMS 2FA "travesties" (regardless of TOTP support): Paypal, Box, Amazon, Citizen, Google, Zoom, Samsung, Signal, Lyft, (my bank), Coinbase, Discord, Ring, Twitter, ...
  - NavinF 4y ago
    He said “(ONLY!) use SMS-based 2FA”. Some of those sites support webauthn. TOTP is secure enough for the rest. SMS 2FA is only a problem when it’s the only option.
    - throwaway290 4y ago
      Why does offering an insecure authentication method stop being a problem when there are alternatives? It should not be offered.
- pc86 4y ago
  When you can't reply to a comment it's usually because it's brand new, to prevent flame wars. If you click on the "timestamp" (where it says "0 minutes ago") you'll be able to reply there regardless of comment age.
- fn-mote 4y ago
  Yes, well unfortunately 2FA and banking and investing doesn't seem to go well together in the US. These companies move at a glacial place. Examples with huge market cap and no TOTP support (afaik): Vanguard ($6T+ managed), Chase Bank ($3T), and every botique investment firm I have dealt with. I personally don't count "we email you a secret code" as 2FA. Do other people?? I mean, sure my email might be secured with real 2FA, but it's just my gut reaction that this isn't nearly as good.
  - xur17 4y ago
    Vanguard supports TOTP.
benj111 4y ago
You mean it's not optimised for a phone screen even when I'm using a pc so I can see a useful amount of information on one screen. And has actual options I need rather than looking good?

I could care less about UX. If it looked like Larry Wall's personal site, but functioned well and was reliable (tech and relationships), I'd pick them every time. If it ain't broke, don't break it. ;) PS: SVB's site has always looked a bit behind the times like that they never cared enough to make it look glitzy because functionality and communication were considered first. Slick websites also give a captological impression of overcompensating, so perhaps decompensating is an important contrary corollary for basic utility services.

hgomersall 4y ago
"functioned well and was reliable" _is_ UX. Having a pretty site might improve the user experience, but being broken and unreliable will have a far bigger impact.
- pc86 4y ago
  If that's what most people thought of when the thought of UX, even here, then the phrase "the UX is dated" wouldn't mean anything. "The reliability is dated" is not a sentence that anyone says.

parkaboy 4y ago

It's almost sort of endearing, but not actually. The fact that they use SMS-based 2FA (at least through 2021) is a travesty and a bit concerning, though. Edit: since I can't reply to response below (I think due to thread depth topping out). To clarify: they ONLY support SMS-based 2FA. No TOTP. Sure, other services offer SMS as well, but you wouldn't want to use that for securing any serious amounts of money (millions of dollars).

cvccvroomvroom 4y ago
Lmao. That's some bikeshedding. Let me name other SMS 2FA "travesties" (regardless of TOTP support): Paypal, Box, Amazon, Citizen, Google, Zoom, Samsung, Signal, Lyft, (my bank), Coinbase, Discord, Ring, Twitter, ...
- NavinF 4y ago
  He said “(ONLY!) use SMS-based 2FA”. Some of those sites support webauthn. TOTP is secure enough for the rest. SMS 2FA is only a problem when it’s the only option.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    Why does offering an insecure authentication method stop being a problem when there are alternatives? It should not be offered.
pc86 4y ago
When you can't reply to a comment it's usually because it's brand new, to prevent flame wars. If you click on the "timestamp" (where it says "0 minutes ago") you'll be able to reply there regardless of comment age.
fn-mote 4y ago
Yes, well unfortunately 2FA and banking and investing doesn't seem to go well together in the US. These companies move at a glacial place. Examples with huge market cap and no TOTP support (afaik): Vanguard ($6T+ managed), Chase Bank ($3T), and every botique investment firm I have dealt with. I personally don't count "we email you a secret code" as 2FA. Do other people?? I mean, sure my email might be secured with real 2FA, but it's just my gut reaction that this isn't nearly as good.
- xur17 4y ago
  Vanguard supports TOTP.

benj111 4y ago

You mean it's not optimised for a phone screen even when I'm using a pc so I can see a useful amount of information on one screen. And has actual options I need rather than looking good?