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You mean like the entirety of my post after that quip?

by briga 4y ago

Karrot_Kream 4y ago
Like "Adding in 7 layers of government bureaucracy sounds like a good way to have the whole edifice come crumbling down, not to mention stifling any sort of innovation that might be left in tech."? I don't agree with this article but you gotta have something better than "government slow, private fast".
- briga 4y ago
  Why, to please you? You aren’t really adding anything to this discussion
  - Karrot_Kream 4y ago
    What makes the government more bureaucratic than a business? Have you looked at the corporate structure of the telecos, like Comcast or Verizon? It's layers upon layers of bureaucracy. Can you explain why the government is somehow guaranteed to be worse than a business?
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      >What makes the government more bureaucratic than a business? It's telling that you rattled off a list of companies that have local monopolies or duopolies where they operate. Look at the incentives at various points in these organizations and the answer should be glaringly obvious. The government lacks big stakeholders at the top insisting upon being in the black. Bureaucracy always wants to expand. A C-suite who wants to make a fuckton of money counterbalances that more directly than the feedback loops that control costs in government. If you want to reduce the number of variables further look at the contrast between local governments (who are less abstracted away from the source of their money) across municipalities of varying wealth.
      - Karrot_Kream 4y ago
        > It's telling that you rattled off a list of companies that have local monopolies or duopolies where they operate. ... No I listed telecom companies. This whole thread is about telecoms after all. Your arguments apply to generic businesses. But let's focus on the actual industry at hand. I don't think the populace will ever gain enough education to be able to democratically steward the internet properly, leading to a value captured internet strictly worse than our current private one, so I disagree with the article (and its selective retelling of history claiming the internet was invented by the government). But there's the reality that the internet is mostly run by oligopolistic telecos that your arguments ignore to make a generic "business good government bad" argument. Can you come up with something more specific to this market?

You mean like the entirety of my post after that quip?

by briga 4y ago

You mean like the entirety of my post after that quip?

Like "Adding in 7 layers of government bureaucracy sounds like a good way to have the whole edifice come crumbling down, not to mention stifling any sort of innovation that might be left in tech."? I don't agree with this article but you gotta have something better than "government slow, private fast".

briga 4y ago
Why, to please you? You aren’t really adding anything to this discussion
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
  What makes the government more bureaucratic than a business? Have you looked at the corporate structure of the telecos, like Comcast or Verizon? It's layers upon layers of bureaucracy. Can you explain why the government is somehow guaranteed to be worse than a business?
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    >What makes the government more bureaucratic than a business? It's telling that you rattled off a list of companies that have local monopolies or duopolies where they operate. Look at the incentives at various points in these organizations and the answer should be glaringly obvious. The government lacks big stakeholders at the top insisting upon being in the black. Bureaucracy always wants to expand. A C-suite who wants to make a fuckton of money counterbalances that more directly than the feedback loops that control costs in government. If you want to reduce the number of variables further look at the contrast between local governments (who are less abstracted away from the source of their money) across municipalities of varying wealth.
    - Karrot_Kream 4y ago
      > It's telling that you rattled off a list of companies that have local monopolies or duopolies where they operate. ... No I listed telecom companies. This whole thread is about telecoms after all. Your arguments apply to generic businesses. But let's focus on the actual industry at hand. I don't think the populace will ever gain enough education to be able to democratically steward the internet properly, leading to a value captured internet strictly worse than our current private one, so I disagree with the article (and its selective retelling of history claiming the internet was invented by the government). But there's the reality that the internet is mostly run by oligopolistic telecos that your arguments ignore to make a generic "business good government bad" argument. Can you come up with something more specific to this market?