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Very sick of this rhetorical pattern: Anybody: describes problem and straightforward solutions/improvements already proven in many other normal countries Am

Very sick of this rhetorical pattern: Anybody: *describes problem and straightforward solutions/improvements already proven in many other normal countries* Americans: "Well at least I'm not in North Korea!!! You want us to live like North Korea?" It's so tiresome!

ddingus 4y ago
Sadly, it is also deeply rooted. The US is very highly propagandized. It is proving quite effective.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  You don't think Americans have any valid reason to be mistrustful of their government or have reservations about it owning their communications infrastructure? What is propaganda, exactly? The information brought to you by Mark Felt, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden? Or media corporations assuring you that only dangerous conspiracy theorists would dare to question their government?
  - ddingus 4y ago
    Of course they do! I am one, and my level of trust is not pretty. And it is no more pretty when it comes to private entities handling things. Both serve profit, not people. And there is massive corruption. Those do us no favors. The answer comes from us, the people. That is what the law says. The propaganda is all about everything but that. See it now? There are places in the world where government is effective and it performs the tasks the people need, want and appreciate. Corruption is low. Ask those people and they will tell you their mistrust is of money, power, and threats to democracy. Our propaganda talks about our democracy all the time. People who study this can tell you public opinion has almost zero impact on policy. That is not democracy. Americans know these things, and their trust is low, as it would be for anyone in similar circumstances. Americans seek answers and there are none to be had amidst the propagandized national discourse. That's the source of deeply rooted things as discussed above.
- CryptoPunk 4y ago
mypastself 4y ago
Maybe so, but I’m not sure how that relates to the comment you’re responding to. Or at least I must have missed the part of the article that lists examples of successful implementations of its proposed idea.
refurb 4y ago
Please explain which problem with the internet other countries has solved?

Very sick of this rhetorical pattern: Anybody: *describes problem and straightforward solutions/improvements already proven in many other normal countries* Am

ddingus 4y ago

Sadly, it is also deeply rooted. The US is very highly propagandized. It is proving quite effective.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
You don't think Americans have any valid reason to be mistrustful of their government or have reservations about it owning their communications infrastructure? What is propaganda, exactly? The information brought to you by Mark Felt, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden? Or media corporations assuring you that only dangerous conspiracy theorists would dare to question their government?
- ddingus 4y ago
  Of course they do! I am one, and my level of trust is not pretty. And it is no more pretty when it comes to private entities handling things. Both serve profit, not people. And there is massive corruption. Those do us no favors. The answer comes from us, the people. That is what the law says. The propaganda is all about everything but that. See it now? There are places in the world where government is effective and it performs the tasks the people need, want and appreciate. Corruption is low. Ask those people and they will tell you their mistrust is of money, power, and threats to democracy. Our propaganda talks about our democracy all the time. People who study this can tell you public opinion has almost zero impact on policy. That is not democracy. Americans know these things, and their trust is low, as it would be for anyone in similar circumstances. Americans seek answers and there are none to be had amidst the propagandized national discourse. That's the source of deeply rooted things as discussed above.
CryptoPunk 4y ago

mypastself 4y ago

Maybe so, but I’m not sure how that relates to the comment you’re responding to. Or at least I must have missed the part of the article that lists examples of successful implementations of its proposed idea.

refurb 4y ago

Please explain which problem with the internet other countries has solved?