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Wouldn’t you say a large organization with a hierarchy has a higher chance of making a change than one cult leader? I don’t see much similarity between this pe

Wouldn’t you say a large organization with a hierarchy has a higher chance of making a change than one cult leader? I don’t see much similarity between this person and the Catholic church. As to the cases you mention no one knew about their crimes because no one came forward. When someone did come forward the police pursued the perpetrator. So firing someone involved wouldn’t have had an effect because the perpetrator was already in jail. Google has a chance to do something if it finds the reports credible.

mandevil 4y ago
First of all, plenty of people did come forward, in the Nassar case, the Penn State case, the Catholic Church cases, the SBC, they were just basically ignored. The FBI has done multiple investigations of how they f'd up the Nassar case so horrifically, and plenty of women stepped forward under their own name and accused people high up in the SBC of assaulting them, everyone just ignored them, treated them as problems to be silenced rather than investigated. This is definitely a case where more investigation is warranted. But second of all, most of the accused are not in jail. The infamous SBC list of 700 names were mostly open-source people involved in criminal charges (though some civil charges were also included) but plenty of people who credibly covered up other people's sexual assaults (about the worst thing that could be imagined for Lubbers, based on this article- and to be clear this article does not accuse him of that) are not in jail. Paige Patterson, for example, is not in jail. In fact, he preached at one of the most prominent SBC churches- 1st Baptist in Dallas- the Sunday after the Guidepost report came out. Patterson was fired from SWBTC after being credibly accused of covering-up a sexual assault 15 years earlier, which is definitely something that I would support if evidence emerges that Lubbers did that sort of thing. But without that evidence, I'm just not sure if Lubbers is more victim or violator, you know?

mandevil 4y ago

First of all, plenty of people did come forward, in the Nassar case, the Penn State case, the Catholic Church cases, the SBC, they were just basically ignored. The FBI has done multiple investigations of how they f'd up the Nassar case so horrifically, and plenty of women stepped forward under their own name and accused people high up in the SBC of assaulting them, everyone just ignored them, treated them as problems to be silenced rather than investigated. This is definitely a case where more investigation is warranted. But second of all, most of the accused are not in jail. The infamous SBC list of 700 names were mostly open-source people involved in criminal charges (though some civil charges were also included) but plenty of people who credibly covered up other people's sexual assaults (about the worst thing that could be imagined for Lubbers, based on this article- and to be clear this article does not accuse him of that) are not in jail. Paige Patterson, for example, is not in jail. In fact, he preached at one of the most prominent SBC churches- 1st Baptist in Dallas- the Sunday after the Guidepost report came out. Patterson was fired from SWBTC after being credibly accused of covering-up a sexual assault 15 years earlier, which is definitely something that I would support if evidence emerges that Lubbers did that sort of thing. But without that evidence, I'm just not sure if Lubbers is more victim or violator, you know?