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> Is believing that some political parties (or even some people in them) court immigrants and which there were more of them because they would get more votes re

> Is believing that some political parties (or even some people in them) court immigrants and which there were more of them because they would get more votes really "racist" and a conspiracy theory? It is both, and fucking stupid.

car_analogy 4y ago
High immigration and lack of border enforcement isn't something uncontrollable, like the weather. It's a choice, made by politicians.
- swatcoder 4y ago
  I don’t think the anyone was saying that it takes a conspiracy theory to see that immigration policy is an ongoing political debate with politicians on either side. But if you think everybody you disagree with is acting with secret ulterior motives that they never divulge publicly (or only in slip ups), you get a a lot closer to one.
  - car_analogy 4y ago
    But is that how it is debunked? Do newspapers, when addressing this conspiracy theory, write "Yes, our immigration policies could be likened to a great replacement, and will soon result in your minority status, but it is not a 'conspiracy' because we are doing it openly"? And, if someone dislikes the results of such immigration policy, why would they care of the exact motives behind it? Even if you convince them it's not a conspiracy, their stance won't change.
moistly 4y ago
Canada has about 15% immigrant population. The main parties all field 13–16% ethnic candidates. Just look at this freaking graph: in the 2011 election, *immigrants born Middle Eastern, African, East Asian, American, and European all voted for the CPC more than the Liberals.* http://ipolitics.ca/news/immigrants-are-not-a-monolithic-voting-block http://ipolitics.ca/news/immigrants-are-not-a-monolithic-vot... Doug Ford, Conservative, won the provincial election the other week because of the ethnic vote. The Canadian Liberals got smoked in 2008 and 2011 because immigrants voted Conservative. The only reason Conservatives lost the immigrant vote this past few cycles is because shot their own damn feet off with their "barbaric cultural practices hotline" stupidity. Canadian voters are, by and large, not loyal to any party. When the Liberals cock things up too much, Liberal voters vote Conservative, even though they still identify as liberal. And when the Conservative Party fields an absolute loser of a leader, Conservative voters vote Liberal, even though they still identify as conservative. The "Replacement Theory" is, as I said, racist and fucking stupid.

car_analogy 4y ago

High immigration and lack of border enforcement isn't something uncontrollable, like the weather. It's a choice, made by politicians.

swatcoder 4y ago
I don’t think the anyone was saying that it takes a conspiracy theory to see that immigration policy is an ongoing political debate with politicians on either side. But if you think everybody you disagree with is acting with secret ulterior motives that they never divulge publicly (or only in slip ups), you get a a lot closer to one.
- car_analogy 4y ago
  But is that how it is debunked? Do newspapers, when addressing this conspiracy theory, write "Yes, our immigration policies could be likened to a great replacement, and will soon result in your minority status, but it is not a 'conspiracy' because we are doing it openly"? And, if someone dislikes the results of such immigration policy, why would they care of the exact motives behind it? Even if you convince them it's not a conspiracy, their stance won't change.

moistly 4y ago

Canada has about 15% immigrant population. The main parties all field 13–16% ethnic candidates. Just look at this freaking graph: in the 2011 election, *immigrants born Middle Eastern, African, East Asian, American, and European all voted for the CPC more than the Liberals.* http://ipolitics.ca/news/immigrants-are-not-a-monolithic-voting-block http://ipolitics.ca/news/immigrants-are-not-a-monolithic-vot... Doug Ford, Conservative, won the provincial election the other week because of the ethnic vote. The Canadian Liberals got smoked in 2008 and 2011 because immigrants voted Conservative. The only reason Conservatives lost the immigrant vote this past few cycles is because shot their own damn feet off with their "barbaric cultural practices hotline" stupidity. Canadian voters are, by and large, not loyal to any party. When the Liberals cock things up too much, Liberal voters vote Conservative, even though they still identify as liberal. And when the Conservative Party fields an absolute loser of a leader, Conservative voters vote Liberal, even though they still identify as conservative. The "Replacement Theory" is, as I said, racist and fucking stupid.