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The web has been progressing too fast, and most of the things that Safari has held back on are features that developers want but users don’t, like push notifica

The web has been progressing too fast, and most of the things that Safari has held back on are features that developers want but users don’t, like push notifications.

tehlike 4y ago
Push notifications exists in app and it's easy to categorically disable it. I am absolutely happy that i have a few pwas installed on my phone that lets me do stuff on phone and desktop together. The fact that i had to/have to install an app (zoom, etc) to accept a conference call is sad.
tylerhou 4y ago
I'd rather enable push notifications on a website than have to install a whole new app if I want them.
kevingadd 4y ago
If push notifications are so bad why does every mobile app spam me with them? All of these things "users don't want" are right there for use in App Store apps. They're only held back from the browser because they want you to give them 30%. In some cases they literally added features to Safari but restricted them for use in advertisements only (WebGL for one example, IIRC) because the features aren't the problem, the problem is developers accessing customers without paying 30%.
- gbear605 4y ago
  Many push notifications are spam that developers want to send and users don’t actually care about. But more than that, the fact that you actually downloaded an app is much higher proof that you want to get notifications than just going to a site and clicking yes on a dialog. Dialogs basically mean nothing because users will just click yes without thinking about it.
  - tehlike 4y ago
    Then you want solution to notification problem. Very specific issue vs broader "web sites are bad, apple is doing good" issue.
dane-pgp 4y ago
> The web has been progressing too fast How many Apple engineers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: None, they just declare darkness to be an innovative new feature. I joke, but they did recently reveal that they're adding a toggle for Dark Mode in Safari: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/03/01/safari-feature-light-dark-mode-specific-site/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/03/01/safari-feature-light-da...
- tehlike 4y ago
  Chrome extensions (which are sadly still disabled in android chrome) actually can fix this without new feature (beauty of extensibility, i guess). Dark reader extension is fairly good.
indymike 4y ago
Agreed that web push is abused by media websites. This is the the most important feature in when converting from a mobile app to pwa. For example, how can my applicant tracking app tell the user they have a new job candidate? How do you alert a user they have a new message on mobile without being able to use notifications? Without proper support for mobile apps from the browser, we're stuck with even more invasive native apps.

The web has been progressing too fast, and most of the things that Safari has held back on are features that developers want but users don’t, like push notifications.

tehlike 4y ago

Push notifications exists in app and it's easy to categorically disable it. I am absolutely happy that i have a few pwas installed on my phone that lets me do stuff on phone and desktop together. The fact that i had to/have to install an app (zoom, etc) to accept a conference call is sad.

tylerhou 4y ago

I'd rather enable push notifications on a website than have to install a whole new app if I want them.

kevingadd 4y ago

If push notifications are so bad why does every mobile app spam me with them? All of these things "users don't want" are right there for use in App Store apps. They're only held back from the browser because they want you to give them 30%. In some cases they literally added features to Safari but restricted them for use in advertisements only (WebGL for one example, IIRC) because the features aren't the problem, the problem is developers accessing customers without paying 30%.

gbear605 4y ago
Many push notifications are spam that developers want to send and users don’t actually care about. But more than that, the fact that you actually downloaded an app is much higher proof that you want to get notifications than just going to a site and clicking yes on a dialog. Dialogs basically mean nothing because users will just click yes without thinking about it.
- tehlike 4y ago
  Then you want solution to notification problem. Very specific issue vs broader "web sites are bad, apple is doing good" issue.

dane-pgp 4y ago

> The web has been progressing too fast How many Apple engineers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: None, they just declare darkness to be an innovative new feature. I joke, but they did recently reveal that they're adding a toggle for Dark Mode in Safari: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/03/01/safari-feature-light-dark-mode-specific-site/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/03/01/safari-feature-light-da...

tehlike 4y ago
Chrome extensions (which are sadly still disabled in android chrome) actually can fix this without new feature (beauty of extensibility, i guess). Dark reader extension is fairly good.

indymike 4y ago

Agreed that web push is abused by media websites. This is the the most important feature in when converting from a mobile app to pwa. For example, how can my applicant tracking app tell the user they have a new job candidate? How do you alert a user they have a new message on mobile without being able to use notifications? Without proper support for mobile apps from the browser, we're stuck with even more invasive native apps.