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That is literally the definition of "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" - you have to be told or lookup CMD+Shift-5 before you can get to the full screenshot UI

That is literally the definition of "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" - you have to be told or lookup CMD+Shift-5 before you can get to the full screenshot UI. It's been a while since I first used MacOS, but I don't remember it telling me how to do that.

CharlesW 4y ago
> That is literally the definition of "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" - you have to be told or lookup CMD+Shift-5 before you can get to the full screenshot UI. Or more likely, new users search for "screenshot" in Spotlight the first few times, and if they do this enough maybe Google "mac screenshot shortcuts" (which leads them to https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201361 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201361).
- LocalPCGuy 4y ago
  That's fair, particularly the "Googling it" part. Still don't think it falls under "intuitive" - it's not something I'd just try or figure out without somehow looking it up.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    For sure. I wonder if there’s a better solution short of a “Screenshot” key.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      You meant Print Screen?
      - CharlesW 4y ago
        Effectively, with a better name. This also strikes me a perfect use case for a Touch Bar since it’d be very helpful for a subset of users but wasted space for others.
hbn 4y ago
How do you want them to inform you other than RTFM and word of mouth? Do you want constant buttons on screen at all times for every possible OS-level functionality?
- LocalPCGuy 4y ago
  I didn't give any value judgement to it and I don't have any suggestions as I really haven't spent a lot of time on that problem space. If I become an OS developer I'll give that problem some thought. But the idea that Mac is somehow "intuitive" is laughable, IMO (I say that as someone who has used a wide variety of computer OSes since the 80s).
  - hbn 4y ago
    It's intuitive to do the basic stuff casual users need. If you want to go beyond that, you figure out how by doing some basic research. The OS isn't going to upload an entire reference manual into your brain as soon as you boot it for the first time.
    - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
      And no one but you is claiming anything about manuals being beamed into brains. I disagree with the idea that MacOS is any more intuitive than any other modern OS (which is the claim that Apple and that I've heard others, make; I'm not saying you are making that claim necessarily). And to bring this back on point, to my very specific original comment, the poster I was responding too said this wasn't "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" when it most definitely was. Not sure we need to delve into the nitty-gritty of how people learn OSes in this thread anymore than we have.
      - marcellus23 4y ago
        > And to bring this back on point, to my very specific original comment, the poster I was responding too said this wasn't "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" when it most definitely was I'm that original poster. The comment I responded to was clearly referring to holding "ctrl" in order to save to clipboard, not referring to the screenshot ability itself (which as others have mentioned, is not hidden behind a keyboard shortcut, but is an app in Applications/Utilities)
eyelidlessness 4y ago
There’s also just an app you can launch like any other, and it works exactly the same way, no keyboard shortcuts necessary.
filoleg 4y ago
> you have to be told or lookup CMD+Shift-5 before you can get to the full screenshot UI No, you don't. You can either search in Spotlight or go to Apps->Utilities, and it is there, along with activity monitor(aka task manager)/terminal/etc.

CharlesW 4y ago

> That is literally the definition of "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" - you have to be told or lookup CMD+Shift-5 before you can get to the full screenshot UI. Or more likely, new users search for "screenshot" in Spotlight the first few times, and if they do this enough maybe Google "mac screenshot shortcuts" (which leads them to https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201361 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201361).

LocalPCGuy 4y ago
That's fair, particularly the "Googling it" part. Still don't think it falls under "intuitive" - it's not something I'd just try or figure out without somehow looking it up.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  For sure. I wonder if there’s a better solution short of a “Screenshot” key.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    You meant Print Screen?
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      Effectively, with a better name. This also strikes me a perfect use case for a Touch Bar since it’d be very helpful for a subset of users but wasted space for others.

hbn 4y ago

How do you want them to inform you other than RTFM and word of mouth? Do you want constant buttons on screen at all times for every possible OS-level functionality?

LocalPCGuy 4y ago
I didn't give any value judgement to it and I don't have any suggestions as I really haven't spent a lot of time on that problem space. If I become an OS developer I'll give that problem some thought. But the idea that Mac is somehow "intuitive" is laughable, IMO (I say that as someone who has used a wide variety of computer OSes since the 80s).
- hbn 4y ago
  It's intuitive to do the basic stuff casual users need. If you want to go beyond that, you figure out how by doing some basic research. The OS isn't going to upload an entire reference manual into your brain as soon as you boot it for the first time.
  - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
    And no one but you is claiming anything about manuals being beamed into brains. I disagree with the idea that MacOS is any more intuitive than any other modern OS (which is the claim that Apple and that I've heard others, make; I'm not saying you are making that claim necessarily). And to bring this back on point, to my very specific original comment, the poster I was responding too said this wasn't "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" when it most definitely was. Not sure we need to delve into the nitty-gritty of how people learn OSes in this thread anymore than we have.
    - marcellus23 4y ago
      > And to bring this back on point, to my very specific original comment, the poster I was responding too said this wasn't "hidden behind a keyboard shortcut" when it most definitely was I'm that original poster. The comment I responded to was clearly referring to holding "ctrl" in order to save to clipboard, not referring to the screenshot ability itself (which as others have mentioned, is not hidden behind a keyboard shortcut, but is an app in Applications/Utilities)

eyelidlessness 4y ago

There’s also just an app you can launch like any other, and it works exactly the same way, no keyboard shortcuts necessary.

filoleg 4y ago

> you have to be told or lookup CMD+Shift-5 before you can get to the full screenshot UI No, you don't. You can either search in Spotlight or go to Apps->Utilities, and it is there, along with activity monitor(aka task manager)/terminal/etc.