Interesting! Maybe we're using different definitions of verbosity too, or I used the wrong word there. I was thinking more about the long method names which de

Interesting! Maybe we're using different definitions of verbosity too, or I used the wrong word there. I was thinking more about the long method names which definitely do feel like they're carried over from ObjC. And then, a lot of those names are really more from the commonly-used frameworks than the language itself, so maybe it's not fair to say that "Swift" has those long names, but it does feel like the 99% use case for Swift is using those frameworks. I think I agree that Swift felt like it needed less code to do a thing than ObjC would have, in a lot of cases.