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lawl - wayland has already happened. Also, and more seriously - I think I'm not going to take you at your word on this one: There are many things my 2010 era

lawl - wayland has already happened. Also, and more seriously - I think I'm not going to take you at your word on this one: There are many things my 2010 era Core2Duo running Ubuntu 10.04 can do that my fancy new Ryzen desktop with Debian 11 can't and won't ever be able to do. Things I cannot give up because they're too important for my daily life. I'd love to see a real example instead of this pithy line. My strong (STRONG) suspicion is that anything you can do on that old machine can be done on the new one just fine - although you might have to adjust a bit or learn a new tool, and that can be painful and annoying.

akagusu 4y ago
Wayland is at best a work in progress. And if you consider that they made Wayland default on GNOME to force adoption and users usually go to Internet seeking for advice on how to switch back to X11 on GNOME, we will probably wait a long time for Wayland happen.
- christophilus 4y ago
  I’ve been using it happily for over a year with no real issues. But I do share your concern. I like the variety and choice of WMs on Linux and the Gnome / Wayland crowd do seem to add friction to the other contenders.
  - akagusu 4y ago
    > I like the variety and choice of WMs on Linux and the Gnome / Wayland crowd do seem to add friction to the other contenders. This is a big problem because this friction they add on purpose hurts users of other wm/desktops that don't get their preferred wm/de working correctly. And it also hurts other open-source developers because it seems the only ones doing something right are the Gnome devs, when in fact the others devs are having problems only because Gnome devs.
    - prmoustache 4y ago
      The Gnome dev do not force anyone on anything, especially regarding parts of the linux desktop they don't develop themselves. This is just conspiracy theory.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  The silent majority is just using wayland without complaining because it just works.
  - rawoke083600 4y ago
    >The silent majority is just using wayland without complaining because it just works. Huh ! That is not a fair argument. The silent majority is by definition impossible (or very hard to find) and confirm if its true. Since you know... they silent and all !
superkuh 4y ago
Here are 3 concrete examples of everyday tools with special abilities only feasibly installed natively on old linux distros. 1: I use text to speech a lot. For the last 20 years I've use Festival text to speech on linux. Specifically I've used Festival 1.96 because it has support for the best sounding voices, the enhanced Nitech HTS voices. No other voice set, not CMU arctic or any other, sounds as good. Modern distros don't package 1.96 and I can never get it to compile. Nitech HTS don't work in Festival 2.0. There's no other mature local linux text to speech software that sounds decent. Every time I build a new computer I both survey the Festival 2.x voice sets and other linux TTS software, including any new weird stuff (like google tachotron, etc). I've never been able to replicate the functionality of my old linux install (or get Festival 1.96 compiled on a newer distro). I really would like the same functionality on a newer distro and I spend a lot of time searching and trying. So if you know an answer to this I'd love to hear about it (anyone). 2: It might be possible for me to get GNU Radio 3.6.5 installed on a newer distro but I laugh at the idea of getting all the out of tree modules from that era to compile on a modern distro. It's the norm for GNU Radio modules to be left behind and abilities lost with every minor version. 3: The Python 2.4 software imgSeek which indexes images and allows me to do MS Paintbrush style colored sketches to search for images.
- rawoke083600 4y ago
  >I use text to speech a lot. Honest question: For what - Are you disabled ? Sorry I'm not sure what the PC way is to ask that question ? I'm purely fact-finding and English and PC is not my first lang. PS. Not saying you are wrong to use it like that, just out of interest is it possible or worthwhile to just run a VM for that ?
- rawoke083600 4y ago
  Last question: I'm just damn curious and not trying to be a dick. Apart from the Core2Duo and ancient-linux-setup (no judgement) Are there any other parts of your life (none computer related) that you also running super-old-tech or versions ? Lol i'm really really not insulting you, just want to know (learn). There are much to learn from extreme-outliers

akagusu 4y ago

Wayland is at best a work in progress. And if you consider that they made Wayland default on GNOME to force adoption and users usually go to Internet seeking for advice on how to switch back to X11 on GNOME, we will probably wait a long time for Wayland happen.

christophilus 4y ago
I’ve been using it happily for over a year with no real issues. But I do share your concern. I like the variety and choice of WMs on Linux and the Gnome / Wayland crowd do seem to add friction to the other contenders.
- akagusu 4y ago
  > I like the variety and choice of WMs on Linux and the Gnome / Wayland crowd do seem to add friction to the other contenders. This is a big problem because this friction they add on purpose hurts users of other wm/desktops that don't get their preferred wm/de working correctly. And it also hurts other open-source developers because it seems the only ones doing something right are the Gnome devs, when in fact the others devs are having problems only because Gnome devs.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    The Gnome dev do not force anyone on anything, especially regarding parts of the linux desktop they don't develop themselves. This is just conspiracy theory.
prmoustache 4y ago
The silent majority is just using wayland without complaining because it just works.
- rawoke083600 4y ago
  >The silent majority is just using wayland without complaining because it just works. Huh ! That is not a fair argument. The silent majority is by definition impossible (or very hard to find) and confirm if its true. Since you know... they silent and all !

superkuh 4y ago

Here are 3 concrete examples of everyday tools with special abilities only feasibly installed natively on old linux distros. 1: I use text to speech a lot. For the last 20 years I've use Festival text to speech on linux. Specifically I've used Festival 1.96 because it has support for the best sounding voices, the enhanced Nitech HTS voices. No other voice set, not CMU arctic or any other, sounds as good. Modern distros don't package 1.96 and I can never get it to compile. Nitech HTS don't work in Festival 2.0. There's no other mature local linux text to speech software that sounds decent. Every time I build a new computer I both survey the Festival 2.x voice sets and other linux TTS software, including any new weird stuff (like google tachotron, etc). I've never been able to replicate the functionality of my old linux install (or get Festival 1.96 compiled on a newer distro). I really would like the same functionality on a newer distro and I spend a lot of time searching and trying. So if you know an answer to this I'd love to hear about it (anyone). 2: It might be possible for me to get GNU Radio 3.6.5 installed on a newer distro but I laugh at the idea of getting all the out of tree modules from that era to compile on a modern distro. It's the norm for GNU Radio modules to be left behind and abilities lost with every minor version. 3: The Python 2.4 software imgSeek which indexes images and allows me to do MS Paintbrush style colored sketches to search for images.

rawoke083600 4y ago
>I use text to speech a lot. Honest question: For what - Are you disabled ? Sorry I'm not sure what the PC way is to ask that question ? I'm purely fact-finding and English and PC is not my first lang. PS. Not saying you are wrong to use it like that, just out of interest is it possible or worthwhile to just run a VM for that ?
rawoke083600 4y ago
Last question: I'm just damn curious and not trying to be a dick. Apart from the Core2Duo and ancient-linux-setup (no judgement) Are there any other parts of your life (none computer related) that you also running super-old-tech or versions ? Lol i'm really really not insulting you, just want to know (learn). There are much to learn from extreme-outliers