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You are very much wrong in your assessments. Closing hundreds of polling locations absolutely affects voting outcomes and number of voters. That isn’t a big l

by suture 4y ago

You are very much wrong in your assessments. Closing hundreds of polling locations absolutely affects voting outcomes and number of voters. That isn’t a big lie. It is a provable fact. There is no point in discussing this topic with someone who refuses to acknowledge indisputable facts. You are completely wrong on your assessment regarding Gerrymandering. You clearly don’t understand how total national vote total has nothing to do with whether or not Gerrymandering causes one party to have more seats than they otherwise ought to have. Here’s a hint: A Representative from California res presents far more people than the one from North Dakota. Here’s another hint: Heavily Democratic distinct overwhelmingly votes Democrat while three districts with slight majority Republican vote elect Republicans and the overall vote totals are mostly even. Both hints must be used to see why overall vote total means nothing when it comes to determining if Congressional representation is skewed. You are wildly wrong in your views. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/report-more-than-1600-polling-places-have-closed-since-the-supreme-court-gutted-the-voting-rights-act/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/report-more-tha... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-pollin... https://www.salon.com/2019/09/12/report-reveals-nearly-1700-polling-places-closed-since-supreme-court-weakened-voting-rights-act/ https://www.salon.com/2019/09/12/report-reveals-nearly-1700-...

rayiner 4y ago
> Closing hundreds of polling locations absolutely affects voting outcomes and number of voters. That isn’t a big lie. It is a provable fact. It doesn't meaningfully affect turnout in the same way Voter ID doesn't affect turnout: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/v.... Both parties are lying about the impacts of voting rules on turnout. > You clearly don’t understand how total national vote total has nothing to do with whether or not Gerrymandering causes one party to have more seats than they otherwise ought to have. You're mixing up completely different things. The Congressional popular vote represents the total number of people that voted for each party in House elections. It's an absolute number of votes, irrespective of number of seats. Republicans have won this absolute count more often than not since 1990. For example, in 2016, Republicans won 63,182,073 votes (49.1%) and Democrats won 61,765,832 votes. Also, you can cross check it against the generic Congressional ballot, which is based on polling and isn’t affected by gerrymandering: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls. Republicans are ahead right now. That’s not a “minority party.” > Here’s a hint: A Representative from California res presents far more people than the one from North Dakota. It's actually the opposite, though it's a rounding error. California has 53 representatives and 39 million people, or 736,000 people per rep. North Dakota has 1 representative and 760,000 people. > https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/report-more-tha https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/report-more-tha... > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-pollin https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-pollin... > https://www.salon.com/2019/09/12/report-reveals-nearly-1700- https://www.salon.com/2019/09/12/report-reveals-nearly-1700-... These sites are peddlers of election falsehoods, just like Breitbart or Newsmax. The irony of all this is that progressive election lies are used to disenfranchise minorities within the Democratic Party. Disproportionately white progressives invoke the notion that Democrats have overwhelming popular support but elections are close because of dirty tricks, to boost their own power within the party. That happens at the expense of disproportionately conservative and moderate democrats, who are disproportionately minorities. Political parties aren’t one big happy family. The truth is that there’s trade offs between the interests of different factions and we should be honest about those. If Obama hadn’t run to the right on social issues in 2008, we wouldn’t have Obamacare today (which cut the number of uninsured Black people by half). That’s the reality of the trade offs between different factions of the party.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Manchin is not doing yeoman's work when he throws hissy fits over his name on a WH press release about something he'd already done (negotiated with Biden)

by suture 4y ago

rayiner 4y ago

> Closing hundreds of polling locations absolutely affects voting outcomes and number of voters. That isn’t a big lie. It is a provable fact. It doesn't meaningfully affect turnout in the same way Voter ID doesn't affect turnout: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/v.... Both parties are lying about the impacts of voting rules on turnout. > You clearly don’t understand how total national vote total has nothing to do with whether or not Gerrymandering causes one party to have more seats than they otherwise ought to have. You're mixing up completely different things. The Congressional popular vote represents the total number of people that voted for each party in House elections. It's an absolute number of votes, irrespective of number of seats. Republicans have won this absolute count more often than not since 1990. For example, in 2016, Republicans won 63,182,073 votes (49.1%) and Democrats won 61,765,832 votes. Also, you can cross check it against the generic Congressional ballot, which is based on polling and isn’t affected by gerrymandering: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls. Republicans are ahead right now. That’s not a “minority party.” > Here’s a hint: A Representative from California res presents far more people than the one from North Dakota. It's actually the opposite, though it's a rounding error. California has 53 representatives and 39 million people, or 736,000 people per rep. North Dakota has 1 representative and 760,000 people. > https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/report-more-tha https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/report-more-tha... > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-pollin https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-pollin... > https://www.salon.com/2019/09/12/report-reveals-nearly-1700- https://www.salon.com/2019/09/12/report-reveals-nearly-1700-... These sites are peddlers of election falsehoods, just like Breitbart or Newsmax. The irony of all this is that progressive election lies are used to disenfranchise minorities within the Democratic Party. Disproportionately white progressives invoke the notion that Democrats have overwhelming popular support but elections are close because of dirty tricks, to boost their own power within the party. That happens at the expense of disproportionately conservative and moderate democrats, who are disproportionately minorities. Political parties aren’t one big happy family. The truth is that there’s trade offs between the interests of different factions and we should be honest about those. If Obama hadn’t run to the right on social issues in 2008, we wouldn’t have Obamacare today (which cut the number of uninsured Black people by half). That’s the reality of the trade offs between different factions of the party.

selimthegrim 4y ago
Manchin is not doing yeoman's work when he throws hissy fits over his name on a WH press release about something he'd already done (negotiated with Biden)