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This has been discussed to death here and elsewhere. It isn't like wasmer doesn't have credible competition from companies well-funded than them, way bigger in

This has been discussed to death here and elsewhere. It isn't like wasmer doesn't have credible competition from companies well-funded than them, way bigger in size. I'd wish folks focused on the incredible amount of engineering that has gone into wasmer. The breadth of its offering is astonishing for a team of its size. Sad that the engineering team couldn't be together for longer, but the runtime is impressive nevertheless. I look at wasmer's various OSS repos from time to time to understand how it was put together. It has been very rewarding to say the least. (yes, I am also aware of the fallout between Syrus, the founder, and a few ex wasmer engs, but let's also focus on the good parts too, folks!)

lofatdairy 4y ago
Right, by no means do I want to disparage the product (which is open source anyways) nor derail the conversation. I just think it's important to bring up since this post is just the company's landing, which would obviously be positive about the product and company, especially in case someone missed those discussions. Right now I don't see any paid offerings, but things like attempts to hijack an entire language would hopefully come into consideration before paying them. That said, trademarking WebAssembly seems to spit in the face of the engineering and technical design work that went into WebAssembly before even Wasmer arrived. Perhaps not as sleek and polished as a VC-backed startup, but we can praise Wasmer for what it has accomplished while also expressing reservations regarding the people who stand to profit from its success.
pipeline_peak 4y ago
> but let's also focus on the good parts too, folks No, as many readers possible should be informed. This no name startup attempted to steal what was supposed to be a standard runtime format. Imagine what they’d do on a larger scale with that sort of behavior. That’s not a company that deserves to grow, we have enough Google’s and Apple’s. A lot of these companies play good guy by open sourcing their products. Given this one’s commercial struggle, who says they genuinely want the world to see their code, Is it not possible they have no other choice? An open source, closed spec product doesn’t really add up, it’s ingenuine, greedy, and downright stagnant.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  I think what you're suggesting is to essentially follow an entity around and post the first controversy you can think that's related to them. In which case violates the site's guidelines: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
  - pipeline_peak 4y ago
    - hunterb123 4y ago
      I don't think name calling is warranted. I'm not trolling, I just think the comments brought on flamebait unrelated to the tech. I also don't see what there is to gain from bringing up the same controversy over and over. What's the end result? What action would you like them to take? As I said in another comment I'd much rather hear about the tech as it is today than the same one topic of the past over and over.
      - pipeline_peak 4y ago
        I don’t think calling someone a troll is name calling. If anything it was more an attempt to describe your behavior. But you’re more than welcome to downvote, flag, and sanctimoniously recite HN guidelines as we all know you love to do. >What’s the point in repeatedly bringing this up? What action would you like them to take? Like many others, I’m bringing it up again because this company is unethical and shouldn’t be trusted for the greater good of standardizing runtime environments and the tech industry as a whole. This startup should end, that’s the action I believe.
  - nindalf 4y ago
    > Avoid unrelated controversies. Seems like unethical behaviour on their part is related to their product offering. And it is pertinent that there are alternatives like wasmtime that don’t have such issues.
synergy20 4y ago
"credible competition from companies well-funded than them, way bigger in size" -- which ones are them?
- syrusakbary 4y ago
  Companies that own other runtimes used for running Wasm server-side: * Intel (WAMR) - Market cap: $105B * Fastly (Wasmtime) - Market cap: $1.2B * Google (V8) - Market cap: $1.5T * Tetrate Labs (Wazero) - Market cap: ~$200M (guesstimate)
  - synergy20 4y ago
    Thanks. Interested in out-of-browser runtime here so Google does not count. I think Intel and Fastly are together at https://bytecodealliance.org/ https://bytecodealliance.org/ along with Microsoft and Mozilla. wazero is totally new to me, will watch it.

lofatdairy 4y ago

Right, by no means do I want to disparage the product (which is open source anyways) nor derail the conversation. I just think it's important to bring up since this post is just the company's landing, which would obviously be positive about the product and company, especially in case someone missed those discussions. Right now I don't see any paid offerings, but things like attempts to hijack an entire language would hopefully come into consideration before paying them. That said, trademarking WebAssembly seems to spit in the face of the engineering and technical design work that went into WebAssembly before even Wasmer arrived. Perhaps not as sleek and polished as a VC-backed startup, but we can praise Wasmer for what it has accomplished while also expressing reservations regarding the people who stand to profit from its success.

pipeline_peak 4y ago

> but let's also focus on the good parts too, folks No, as many readers possible should be informed. This no name startup attempted to steal what was supposed to be a standard runtime format. Imagine what they’d do on a larger scale with that sort of behavior. That’s not a company that deserves to grow, we have enough Google’s and Apple’s. A lot of these companies play good guy by open sourcing their products. Given this one’s commercial struggle, who says they genuinely want the world to see their code, Is it not possible they have no other choice? An open source, closed spec product doesn’t really add up, it’s ingenuine, greedy, and downright stagnant.

hunterb123 4y ago
I think what you're suggesting is to essentially follow an entity around and post the first controversy you can think that's related to them. In which case violates the site's guidelines: > Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.
- pipeline_peak 4y ago
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    I don't think name calling is warranted. I'm not trolling, I just think the comments brought on flamebait unrelated to the tech. I also don't see what there is to gain from bringing up the same controversy over and over. What's the end result? What action would you like them to take? As I said in another comment I'd much rather hear about the tech as it is today than the same one topic of the past over and over.
    - pipeline_peak 4y ago
      I don’t think calling someone a troll is name calling. If anything it was more an attempt to describe your behavior. But you’re more than welcome to downvote, flag, and sanctimoniously recite HN guidelines as we all know you love to do. >What’s the point in repeatedly bringing this up? What action would you like them to take? Like many others, I’m bringing it up again because this company is unethical and shouldn’t be trusted for the greater good of standardizing runtime environments and the tech industry as a whole. This startup should end, that’s the action I believe.
- nindalf 4y ago
  > Avoid unrelated controversies. Seems like unethical behaviour on their part is related to their product offering. And it is pertinent that there are alternatives like wasmtime that don’t have such issues.

synergy20 4y ago

"credible competition from companies well-funded than them, way bigger in size" -- which ones are them?

syrusakbary 4y ago
Companies that own other runtimes used for running Wasm server-side: * Intel (WAMR) - Market cap: $105B * Fastly (Wasmtime) - Market cap: $1.2B * Google (V8) - Market cap: $1.5T * Tetrate Labs (Wazero) - Market cap: ~$200M (guesstimate)
- synergy20 4y ago
  Thanks. Interested in out-of-browser runtime here so Google does not count. I think Intel and Fastly are together at https://bytecodealliance.org/ https://bytecodealliance.org/ along with Microsoft and Mozilla. wazero is totally new to me, will watch it.