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>As a AMD fanboy who loves seeing them back on top I am not a fanboy, but a realistic dude. AMD ruled the last years but Alder Lake overtook Vermeer on both p
by DeathArrow 4y ago
>As a AMD fanboy who loves seeing them back on top
I am not a fanboy, but a realistic dude.
AMD ruled the last years but Alder Lake overtook Vermeer on both performance and price/performance.
And that is with a process node difference, Intel using 10nm vs AMD using 7nm.
And the future looks like Intel will enhance the distance between its performance and AMD's.
- colinmhayes 4y agoAlder Lake and zen 3 are on comparable processes. Intel 10nm, now renamed Intel 7, has pretty much the same density as tsmc 7nm.
- FairlyInvolved 4y agoAnd N7 is almost certainly cheaper (holistically) than Intel 7, from an economic perspective AMD have done more with less.
- DeathArrow 4y ago>Alder Lake and zen 3 are on comparable processes. Intel didn't use EUV, so no.
- coder543 4y agoI think Intel stands to regain some lost ground over the next year or two, but Alder Lake isn't a compelling argument in a datacenter-focused discussion. Alder Lake relies on brute force, inefficient power consumption to regain the performance crown. AMD's chips are much more efficient, and efficiency matters in datacenters. There is only so much power and cooling available to each rack unit. I think Sapphire Rapids holds a lot of promise, but it remains to be seen.
- DeathArrow 4y agoYou are right. But parent comment was about desktops, not data centers. And in desktops performance is what matters. And price/performance ratio, and both are in Intel's favor.
- coder543 4y agoThis HN topic is about cloud, and I don’t see anything in the comment you replied to that’s talking about desktop computers specifically. Both Intel and AMD have plans to integrate memory more tightly onto the package of their datacenter processors in the next couple of years, IIRC, and that seems to be what the OP of this comment thread was hoping they would learn from M1. But, whatever.
- viktorcode 4y agoTake a note, that node sizes of different factories aren't comparable, because they are measured quite differently. You can only compare TSMC v TSMC, Intel v Intel etc.
- DeathArrow 4y agoTrue, but Intel is still lagging at least one node behind TSMC, by whatever way you can measure.
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- colinmhayes 4y agoAgainst apple and I believe amd’s new offering this fall. Not amds last offering.
- bloodyplonker22 4y agoif by "enhance the distance" you mean Intel will fall farther in terms of price and performance to AMD, you're probably right.