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It's not illegal to be in a cult. Maybe it's left out for legal reasons, but there's no suggestion in the article that they did bad anything at all to the autho

It's not illegal to be in a cult. Maybe it's left out for legal reasons, but there's no suggestion in the article that they did bad anything at all to the author. Maybe he was afraid of the whiteness of it, or the allegedly rampant gay sex.

asimpletune 4y ago
Well he was ignored for promotion
- secondcoming 4y ago
  By his friend who wasn't in the cult. Maybe I read it wrong?
  - colpabar 4y ago
    from the medium article linked in other comments: > Then, without warning or reason, I was fired. The person who actually gave me the decision didn’t know why they were doing it. They said they had no involvement in the decision. They asked me if I knew why I was being fired. I said “I assume you would know, right?” They didn’t. (A funny detail: The raise for that promotion I was given was processed after I was fired, so I received two last checks at the higher rate. Fired and promoted at the same time.) > Even though Dan was not in my chain of supervisors, I’m convinced he helped to orchestrate my termination. I believe he saw me as an existential threat, to him, his colleagues and their jobs. The purported reasoning for my termination was an email I had sent requesting the retention of an editor, which was a completely normal business issue. In retrospect, it looks like Dan was looking for pretext to shuffle me off for some time before that. edit: i might as well just link it here too https://medium.com/@kwilliamlloyd/the-cult-in-google-3c1a910214d1 https://medium.com/@kwilliamlloyd/the-cult-in-google-3c1a910...
- colpabar 4y ago
  The whole reason he filed the lawsuit, and thus why we are reading about this, is because he was fired and he feels it was because he tried to speak out about the cult. Did anyone in this thread read any of it lol
  - whatshisface 4y ago
    I think cults/fraternal organizations are a lot more common than anyone thinks, and I say this because I keep meeting/hearing about people in them.
pnw 4y ago
Cults do illegal things though, and are generally considered harmful to members.
vaillant 4y ago
If you read the article, the cult's also been involved in what's arguably sex trafficking. The author wasn't personally harmed in a significant way but I don't see how that's relevant.
- secondcoming 4y ago
  Why sue if you haven't been harmed? "I was fired from my team there in February of 2021 because I raised alarm about a cult within Google, a group called the Fellowship of Friends. " Sounds to me like he freaked out because he was working with weirdos, wanted 'someone to do something about it', and then wouldn't let it go.
  - probably_wrong 4y ago
    But he was harmed: he was allegedly fired for reporting religious discrimination. He may not have been harmed by the cult members, but he was (again, allegedly) harmed by the culture created by this cult. "I learned of someone being discriminated due to their religious beliefs (or lack of), I reported it and the company fired me" makes a good case for the company supporting and/or engaging in religious discrimination. I'm not saying the author will win - it is entirely possible, like you say, that he was fired for being disruptive or other hundred valid reasons. But I do think the author raises at least a good initial argument.
    - bragr 4y ago
      >But he was harmed: he was allegedly fired for reporting religious discrimination. He was allegedly harmed. If, as the person you are replying to speculates, he was freaking out and being a bad employee after discovering the affiliation of his coworkers, then potentially that's a righteous firing and he wasn't harmed in a legal sense. If as he alleges, he was fired for having valid concerns, then yes, harm in a legal sense.

asimpletune 4y ago

Well he was ignored for promotion

secondcoming 4y ago
By his friend who wasn't in the cult. Maybe I read it wrong?
- colpabar 4y ago
  from the medium article linked in other comments: > Then, without warning or reason, I was fired. The person who actually gave me the decision didn’t know why they were doing it. They said they had no involvement in the decision. They asked me if I knew why I was being fired. I said “I assume you would know, right?” They didn’t. (A funny detail: The raise for that promotion I was given was processed after I was fired, so I received two last checks at the higher rate. Fired and promoted at the same time.) > Even though Dan was not in my chain of supervisors, I’m convinced he helped to orchestrate my termination. I believe he saw me as an existential threat, to him, his colleagues and their jobs. The purported reasoning for my termination was an email I had sent requesting the retention of an editor, which was a completely normal business issue. In retrospect, it looks like Dan was looking for pretext to shuffle me off for some time before that. edit: i might as well just link it here too https://medium.com/@kwilliamlloyd/the-cult-in-google-3c1a910214d1 https://medium.com/@kwilliamlloyd/the-cult-in-google-3c1a910...
colpabar 4y ago
The whole reason he filed the lawsuit, and thus why we are reading about this, is because he was fired and he feels it was because he tried to speak out about the cult. Did anyone in this thread read any of it lol
- whatshisface 4y ago
  I think cults/fraternal organizations are a lot more common than anyone thinks, and I say this because I keep meeting/hearing about people in them.

pnw 4y ago

Cults do illegal things though, and are generally considered harmful to members.

vaillant 4y ago

If you read the article, the cult's also been involved in what's arguably sex trafficking. The author wasn't personally harmed in a significant way but I don't see how that's relevant.

secondcoming 4y ago
Why sue if you haven't been harmed? "I was fired from my team there in February of 2021 because I raised alarm about a cult within Google, a group called the Fellowship of Friends. " Sounds to me like he freaked out because he was working with weirdos, wanted 'someone to do something about it', and then wouldn't let it go.
- probably_wrong 4y ago
  But he was harmed: he was allegedly fired for reporting religious discrimination. He may not have been harmed by the cult members, but he was (again, allegedly) harmed by the culture created by this cult. "I learned of someone being discriminated due to their religious beliefs (or lack of), I reported it and the company fired me" makes a good case for the company supporting and/or engaging in religious discrimination. I'm not saying the author will win - it is entirely possible, like you say, that he was fired for being disruptive or other hundred valid reasons. But I do think the author raises at least a good initial argument.
  - bragr 4y ago
    >But he was harmed: he was allegedly fired for reporting religious discrimination. He was allegedly harmed. If, as the person you are replying to speculates, he was freaking out and being a bad employee after discovering the affiliation of his coworkers, then potentially that's a righteous firing and he wasn't harmed in a legal sense. If as he alleges, he was fired for having valid concerns, then yes, harm in a legal sense.