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> ”can't afford to be taxes (sic) more than they currently are” This is such a weird take. You get taxed on profits. If you don’t turn a profit you pay zero ta

> ”can't afford to be taxes (sic) more than they currently are” This is such a weird take. You get taxed on profits. If you don’t turn a profit you pay zero tax. Oh, and payroll is not profit.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
Licensing fees, requirements for X or Y be implemented, etc, etc, that kind of stuff. At the small business level that's the stuff that's really onerous. If it were just taxes on profits far fewer people would be complaining. It's all the shit that kicks you when you're down that really hurts.
- brtkdotse 4y ago
  In that case the business idea wasn’t good enough. If you can’t afford the cost of doing business it’s not a viable business idea. In the same category: “I can’t afford to pay more than minimum wage”
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    This is nonresponsive to the point being made. The costs under discussion are imposed mostly by the government, they are not a thing that merely exists like the weather. Reasonable people can disagree on the amount of bureaucracy required to just sell things.
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    Every time some politician gets on a high horse about "we're gonna make errybody who's doing X also do Y" that's a cost. A bike rack out front. A change in the ratio of hand washing stations per employee. It's all "cheap", and most of it's good stuff that's easy to justify. But it adds up in a big way. And you let this stuff run for awhile and this is how that "authentic" taco stand or used book store you loved gets pushed out of business.
fortran77 4y ago
It's obvious you've never worked or had a business. In California, an LLC pays $800/year taxes even on zero profit; you must pay for a business license tax, and you pay "property taxes" on the equipment and fixtures in your facility. (See: https://www.sccassessor.org/index.php/property-information/business-owner/general-information https://www.sccassessor.org/index.php/property-information/b... ) You also must pay for certain professional licenses, and pay for certain inspections. Just one example, I have to pay about $150/year for a "water backflow valve" inspection, even though our computer consulting office has no equipment that connects to the water supply.
- brtkdotse 4y ago
  I have a 20 year career of which 5 as a solo business :) But you’re right, running a business in the US sounds _terrible_. Condolences. My assumptions were based on institutions not being hostile.
  - jccooper 4y ago
    California is not uniquely terrible, but in most of the country little or none of that applies.
  - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
    Let me guess, white collar business, fairly large gross margin, no process equipment or physical inputs/outputs except from the office printer. Was I close? None of that carries over to the blue collar world.

> ”can't afford to be taxes (sic) more than they currently are” This is such a weird take. You get taxed on profits. If you don’t turn a profit you pay zero tax. Oh, and payroll is not profit.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago

Licensing fees, requirements for X or Y be implemented, etc, etc, that kind of stuff. At the small business level that's the stuff that's really onerous. If it were just taxes on profits far fewer people would be complaining. It's all the shit that kicks you when you're down that really hurts.

brtkdotse 4y ago
In that case the business idea wasn’t good enough. If you can’t afford the cost of doing business it’s not a viable business idea. In the same category: “I can’t afford to pay more than minimum wage”
- Karunamon 4y ago
  This is nonresponsive to the point being made. The costs under discussion are imposed mostly by the government, they are not a thing that merely exists like the weather. Reasonable people can disagree on the amount of bureaucracy required to just sell things.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  Every time some politician gets on a high horse about "we're gonna make errybody who's doing X also do Y" that's a cost. A bike rack out front. A change in the ratio of hand washing stations per employee. It's all "cheap", and most of it's good stuff that's easy to justify. But it adds up in a big way. And you let this stuff run for awhile and this is how that "authentic" taco stand or used book store you loved gets pushed out of business.

fortran77 4y ago

It's obvious you've never worked or had a business. In California, an LLC pays $800/year taxes even on zero profit; you must pay for a business license tax, and you pay "property taxes" on the equipment and fixtures in your facility. (See: https://www.sccassessor.org/index.php/property-information/business-owner/general-information https://www.sccassessor.org/index.php/property-information/b... ) You also must pay for certain professional licenses, and pay for certain inspections. Just one example, I have to pay about $150/year for a "water backflow valve" inspection, even though our computer consulting office has no equipment that connects to the water supply.

brtkdotse 4y ago
I have a 20 year career of which 5 as a solo business :) But you’re right, running a business in the US sounds _terrible_. Condolences. My assumptions were based on institutions not being hostile.
- jccooper 4y ago
  California is not uniquely terrible, but in most of the country little or none of that applies.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  Let me guess, white collar business, fairly large gross margin, no process equipment or physical inputs/outputs except from the office printer. Was I close? None of that carries over to the blue collar world.