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People at work complaining up a storm about the cost of military aid to Ukraine while at the same time advocating a declaration of war against Russia as if that

People at work complaining up a storm about the cost of military aid to Ukraine while at the same time advocating a declaration of war against Russia as if that would be cheaper.

_8j50 4y ago
Mutually assured destruction would sure be cheaper.
- neonsunset 4y ago
  Mutually assured destruction is unlikely to happen. It is game theory advantageous to make other party believe you are an irrational agent while being the opposite. If non-nuclear systems require human input to arm and engage them, rest assured nuclear systems would be even more so. That said, if people actually looked at the numbers, the military help provided by US to Ukraine is spare change compared to the cost of economic and political consequences of not providing it.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    MAD is tricky. I would like to think once you get nuked a few times you won't retaliate to avoid MAD. But in reality it happens very fast, if you hit the enemy with enough nukes fast enough you might save a few cities. In the US urban sprawl type mega cities mean several typical warheads places strategically and getting past THAAD will need to succeed to wipe out a city. In both US and Russia, most of the rural population will be just fine after several waves of nuking it will be the aftermath (afterthought during battle) that will kill most. Critical civilian and military infrastructure will still be viable in many places with millions of lives that could be saves if you overehelm the enemy quickly enough.
postsantum 4y ago
Most people in developed countries don't know what a real war is. With some exceptions, most "wars" in the last decades were mostly TV shows about NATO/US bombing some unfortunate army to smithereens. The possibility of deadly retaliation resides in the same part of viewer's brain as Terminator movie This, and the positive view of being a hardliner lead to insane statements
tonfreed 4y ago
I'm just surprised how few people remember all the articles about Ukrainian corruption over the last 8 years and the shelling and political crackdowns in the east of the country.

People at work complaining up a storm about the cost of military aid to Ukraine while at the same time advocating a declaration of war against Russia as if that would be cheaper.

_8j50 4y ago

Mutually assured destruction would sure be cheaper.

neonsunset 4y ago
Mutually assured destruction is unlikely to happen. It is game theory advantageous to make other party believe you are an irrational agent while being the opposite. If non-nuclear systems require human input to arm and engage them, rest assured nuclear systems would be even more so. That said, if people actually looked at the numbers, the military help provided by US to Ukraine is spare change compared to the cost of economic and political consequences of not providing it.
- _8j50 4y ago
  MAD is tricky. I would like to think once you get nuked a few times you won't retaliate to avoid MAD. But in reality it happens very fast, if you hit the enemy with enough nukes fast enough you might save a few cities. In the US urban sprawl type mega cities mean several typical warheads places strategically and getting past THAAD will need to succeed to wipe out a city. In both US and Russia, most of the rural population will be just fine after several waves of nuking it will be the aftermath (afterthought during battle) that will kill most. Critical civilian and military infrastructure will still be viable in many places with millions of lives that could be saves if you overehelm the enemy quickly enough.

postsantum 4y ago

Most people in developed countries don't know what a real war is. With some exceptions, most "wars" in the last decades were mostly TV shows about NATO/US bombing some unfortunate army to smithereens. The possibility of deadly retaliation resides in the same part of viewer's brain as Terminator movie This, and the positive view of being a hardliner lead to insane statements

tonfreed 4y ago

I'm just surprised how few people remember all the articles about Ukrainian corruption over the last 8 years and the shelling and political crackdowns in the east of the country.