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1) Execs complaining that it's hard to find skilled workers nowadays, while doing their best to make the company an unattractive workplace and not bother retain

1) Execs complaining that it's hard to find skilled workers nowadays, while doing their best to make the company an unattractive workplace and not bother retaining existing workers who are leaving (including me soon). Guys, it's not rocket science, just ask your employees what's bothering them. If people are leaving by the numbers, then you have some serious issues that need to be fixed, otherwise the churn will never stop. You'll hire new people, they'll see it's a shit show, and leave as soon as their relocation bonus expires. This brings me no joy either. I'd much rather stay on one place for long, rather than go through various interview hazing rituals every couple of years just to escape the madness and get a decent inflation adjustment. 2) Western governments quadrupling the amount of money in circulation in the last two years, EU governments ignoring sane energy independence policies for decades, then blaming all the rampant inflation and soaring energy and real estate prices solely on the war in Ukraine, and telling the working class to tighten their belts and turn down the heating, while the upper class has never seen better days as their assets appreciated to new heights. And the voters who keep voting for the same parties, time and time again, despite the corruption scandals and evidence of gross incompetence across the board, passing policies that work against the people's intersts. "Exhales"

collyw 4y ago
A quick chat with HR followed by a "coding challenge" for free. I just had a recruitment consultant tell me that my perspective might be wrong for not wanting to do it. He had 70 people in his pipeline for 25 jobs. So I do half a days worth of work for free and I have approx 2 - 1 chance that I don't get the job.
- donatj 4y ago
  It’s been ten years and I am still mad at Facebook. Post phone interview on Friday I was given a code challenge to complete over the weekend. When I submitted it on Monday I received a response immediately “The team has reviewed your resume and decided to not move forward. We will not be reviewing your code challenge. Feel free to apply again in one year.” I spent my whole weekend on it, it was shined and buffed and you could have at least glanced at it. Or at the very least lied to me.
  - dmos62 4y ago
    > Or at the very least lied to me. It sucks that they requested work from you that was not necessary, but would you really prefer that they lied about it? I'd say they mismanaged the situation, but at least were honest about it.
    - donatj 4y ago
      Absolutely. If they had told me that the code was total garbage in a snide tone followed by derogatory remarks about my mother, I would be over it by now. I am a very forgiving person. Having me do two days of work and immediately throwing it in the trash without even glancing at it is the far worse insult.
  - hppb 4y ago
    That just sounds like an attempt to save both of you time (elapsed time, from interview to offer, not time spent) in case your phone interview did do well. After the phone interview, somebody needs to write it up, a hiring committee needs to look at it, and then they can decide whether to move forward or not. If they give you the challenge after that it's easily another week. Frankly I am surprised they gave you a full response on Monday after a phone interview Friday, that's actually quite fast given all the steps and people involved.
    - donatj 4y ago
      I went and looked up the emails. I submitted my code challenge at 9:45pm on Sunday central time and received the response at 2:18am Monday. Couple hours, and a strange time to get a response. I suspect the recruiter was not US based. Given that the job was supposed to be west coast based, I have to imagine they’d made their decision on Friday.
      - cvhashim 4y ago
        Probably an auto rejection.
    - darkerside 4y ago
- throwawaylala1 4y ago
  Do your thing I guess. The results will speak for themselves. Just know that even in the mid-2000s (when the market was red hot) there were all sorts of hurdles you'd have to go through to get a good gig. A lot of that involved doing work "for free". A little hustle pays dividends long term. It's much worse in other industries.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    "A little hustle pays dividends long term." Only if you're lucky too. Hustle by itself means nothing.
    - throwawaylala1 4y ago
      You're not wrong, but there is a large spectrum of success out there. It's not like you get only "one shot, one opportunity" (Eminem) or nothing. Yes there's also a spectrum of the work/reward ratio and sometimes it's skewed in a crappy way. For some people it's too easy and for some people it's too hard Point is that reaching upper middle class and higher is totally feasible no matter your walk of life as long as you keep the hustle going. Success could only happen in one's late 30s though. (There are of course overriding factors like having an abusive childhood or something like that. Systematic discrimination plays a big part too. But that's outside the scope of this particular thread)
      - giantg2 4y ago
        "Point is that reaching upper middle class and higher is totally feasible no matter your walk of life as long as you keep the hustle going." It's also unlikely, even just looking at it statistically.
        abrichr 4y ago
        Perhaps it's only unlikely because most people give up, and if you don't give up, it's much more likely.
- onion2k 4y ago
  The reward is a pay increase (hopefully) and a delightful 6 months before you realize the new job has the same problems as the old job, then 18 months of stress while you try to change things, and then you get to do it all again. What's not to love about a system like that?
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  Looking for a job means doing 'work' potentially for nothing. You have to apply, sit interviews, sit tests, etc. Investing half a day before a decision is very reasonable.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Coding and tech hiring challenges are far longer than half a day nowadays. Some are even up to two weeks. I much prefer an hour of whiteboarding grilling than wasting an entire week on open ended problems full of fluff.
    - mytailorisrich 4y ago
      Person I'm replying to said half a day, hence my reply that this is actually pretty good! That being said, I've never had coding tests for more than a few hours.
      - krm01 4y ago
        More than a few hours seems pretty extreme.
- jriot 4y ago
  FanDuel sent me test (data science) before I talked with anyone. I'll admit the questions appeared aligned with the work and would be interesting. But I am not taking a test before talking with anyone.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
> And the voters who keep voting for the same parties, time and time again, despite the corruption scandals and evidence of gross incompetence across the board Hardest nut to swallow if you are interested in politics. To a large degree it is due to a dysfunctional media. I have no better ideas how to create and fund a better press that is still independent though. Politicians need to get on board of the circus because it is their only chance to publicity. That said, I wouldn't want to replace the current misery with people popular on tiktok either. edit: My colloquial English is a bit weak, but I think it would be more apt to say "hardest pill to swallow" as nuts can have an unfortunate double meaning. So better to swallow pills and to crack nuts and better not mix that up too much...
- Giorgi 4y ago
  media just feeds whatever is in demand. It's people who are stupid.
- twiceaday 4y ago
  Better press already exists for anyone who wants it. Almost nobody wants it. It lost the popularity contest to more entertaining and pandering versions. You have to give people what they want. If you want change you have to change what they want. That's the hardest pill to swallow.
giantg2 4y ago
Might as well mic drop and turn of the commenting on this post, cause this says it.
gaws 4y ago
> Guys, it's not rocket science, just ask your employees what's bothering them. That requires confrontation, which many executives (and even low-level managers) don't want to deal with.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  No it doesn't. You can share an anonymous pastebin link and tell everyone to write what bugs them there.

collyw 4y ago

A quick chat with HR followed by a "coding challenge" for free. I just had a recruitment consultant tell me that my perspective might be wrong for not wanting to do it. He had 70 people in his pipeline for 25 jobs. So I do half a days worth of work for free and I have approx 2 - 1 chance that I don't get the job.

donatj 4y ago
It’s been ten years and I am still mad at Facebook. Post phone interview on Friday I was given a code challenge to complete over the weekend. When I submitted it on Monday I received a response immediately “The team has reviewed your resume and decided to not move forward. We will not be reviewing your code challenge. Feel free to apply again in one year.” I spent my whole weekend on it, it was shined and buffed and you could have at least glanced at it. Or at the very least lied to me.
- dmos62 4y ago
  > Or at the very least lied to me. It sucks that they requested work from you that was not necessary, but would you really prefer that they lied about it? I'd say they mismanaged the situation, but at least were honest about it.
  - donatj 4y ago
    Absolutely. If they had told me that the code was total garbage in a snide tone followed by derogatory remarks about my mother, I would be over it by now. I am a very forgiving person. Having me do two days of work and immediately throwing it in the trash without even glancing at it is the far worse insult.
- hppb 4y ago
  That just sounds like an attempt to save both of you time (elapsed time, from interview to offer, not time spent) in case your phone interview did do well. After the phone interview, somebody needs to write it up, a hiring committee needs to look at it, and then they can decide whether to move forward or not. If they give you the challenge after that it's easily another week. Frankly I am surprised they gave you a full response on Monday after a phone interview Friday, that's actually quite fast given all the steps and people involved.
  - donatj 4y ago
    I went and looked up the emails. I submitted my code challenge at 9:45pm on Sunday central time and received the response at 2:18am Monday. Couple hours, and a strange time to get a response. I suspect the recruiter was not US based. Given that the job was supposed to be west coast based, I have to imagine they’d made their decision on Friday.
    - cvhashim 4y ago
      Probably an auto rejection.
  - darkerside 4y ago
throwawaylala1 4y ago
Do your thing I guess. The results will speak for themselves. Just know that even in the mid-2000s (when the market was red hot) there were all sorts of hurdles you'd have to go through to get a good gig. A lot of that involved doing work "for free". A little hustle pays dividends long term. It's much worse in other industries.
- giantg2 4y ago
  "A little hustle pays dividends long term." Only if you're lucky too. Hustle by itself means nothing.
  - throwawaylala1 4y ago
    You're not wrong, but there is a large spectrum of success out there. It's not like you get only "one shot, one opportunity" (Eminem) or nothing. Yes there's also a spectrum of the work/reward ratio and sometimes it's skewed in a crappy way. For some people it's too easy and for some people it's too hard Point is that reaching upper middle class and higher is totally feasible no matter your walk of life as long as you keep the hustle going. Success could only happen in one's late 30s though. (There are of course overriding factors like having an abusive childhood or something like that. Systematic discrimination plays a big part too. But that's outside the scope of this particular thread)
    - giantg2 4y ago
      "Point is that reaching upper middle class and higher is totally feasible no matter your walk of life as long as you keep the hustle going." It's also unlikely, even just looking at it statistically.
      - abrichr 4y ago
        Perhaps it's only unlikely because most people give up, and if you don't give up, it's much more likely.
onion2k 4y ago
The reward is a pay increase (hopefully) and a delightful 6 months before you realize the new job has the same problems as the old job, then 18 months of stress while you try to change things, and then you get to do it all again. What's not to love about a system like that?
mytailorisrich 4y ago
Looking for a job means doing 'work' potentially for nothing. You have to apply, sit interviews, sit tests, etc. Investing half a day before a decision is very reasonable.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Coding and tech hiring challenges are far longer than half a day nowadays. Some are even up to two weeks. I much prefer an hour of whiteboarding grilling than wasting an entire week on open ended problems full of fluff.
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    Person I'm replying to said half a day, hence my reply that this is actually pretty good! That being said, I've never had coding tests for more than a few hours.
    - krm01 4y ago
      More than a few hours seems pretty extreme.
jriot 4y ago
FanDuel sent me test (data science) before I talked with anyone. I'll admit the questions appeared aligned with the work and would be interesting. But I am not taking a test before talking with anyone.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

> And the voters who keep voting for the same parties, time and time again, despite the corruption scandals and evidence of gross incompetence across the board Hardest nut to swallow if you are interested in politics. To a large degree it is due to a dysfunctional media. I have no better ideas how to create and fund a better press that is still independent though. Politicians need to get on board of the circus because it is their only chance to publicity. That said, I wouldn't want to replace the current misery with people popular on tiktok either. edit: My colloquial English is a bit weak, but I think it would be more apt to say "hardest pill to swallow" as nuts can have an unfortunate double meaning. So better to swallow pills and to crack nuts and better not mix that up too much...

Giorgi 4y ago
media just feeds whatever is in demand. It's people who are stupid.
twiceaday 4y ago
Better press already exists for anyone who wants it. Almost nobody wants it. It lost the popularity contest to more entertaining and pandering versions. You have to give people what they want. If you want change you have to change what they want. That's the hardest pill to swallow.

giantg2 4y ago

Might as well mic drop and turn of the commenting on this post, cause this says it.

gaws 4y ago

> Guys, it's not rocket science, just ask your employees what's bothering them. That requires confrontation, which many executives (and even low-level managers) don't want to deal with.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
No it doesn't. You can share an anonymous pastebin link and tell everyone to write what bugs them there.