4 ms·

.NET is open. You can find its source on Github. The .NET platform being open doesn't mean everything targeting the .NET platform is open, too.

exyi 4y ago
You could however reasonably expect that core tools like debugger and LSP will be open too.
- jayd16 4y ago
  Maybe? These are just implementations, right? Others will still be able to build tools? JetBrains isn't pushed out by this, is it? Java flight recorder, for example, wasn't always open source. While it's not ideal, I'm not sure the idea of closed source tools in an open language is all that unheard of.
  - bayesian_horse 4y ago
    Key tools of the platform not being open means the platform is either not open or not useable, take your pick.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - phendrenad2 4y ago
      This is like saying PCs aren't open because most people use Windows.
      - bayesian_horse 4y ago
        PCs have tons of closed source firmware and BIOS. So no, PCs aren't open! Windows isn't open. But you could argue there are open alternatives to Windows.
foepys 4y ago
A problem of the .NET ecosystem is that there is no open source debugger for C#. The Microsoft-provided debugger has strict license terms that only allow it to be used in Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code. JetBrains needed to write their own debugger for their cross-platform IDE Rider. Luckily they already knew a lot about .NET to do this and it turned out very well but it's still not the official debugger and also not open source.
- mikevm 4y ago
  Why do you care about the debugger not being open source?
- mmgutz 4y ago
  Did JetBrains open source their debugger?
  - exyi 4y ago
    No, they are equally "guilty". At least they don't brag how OSS friendly they are. There is open source debugger from Samsung (https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/ https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/), but it does not see much use.
    - josteink 4y ago
      > There is open source debugger from Samsung (https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/ https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/), but it does not see much use. If you want to debug C# from Emacs, it’s the only choice AFAIK.
    - oaiey 4y ago
      To be fair: that is their sole income: dev tools.
- dogma1138 4y ago
  So write your own? That’s kind of the whole point of an open system.
- 4y ago

exyi 4y ago

You could however reasonably expect that core tools like debugger and LSP will be open too.

jayd16 4y ago
Maybe? These are just implementations, right? Others will still be able to build tools? JetBrains isn't pushed out by this, is it? Java flight recorder, for example, wasn't always open source. While it's not ideal, I'm not sure the idea of closed source tools in an open language is all that unheard of.
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  Key tools of the platform not being open means the platform is either not open or not useable, take your pick.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    This is like saying PCs aren't open because most people use Windows.
    - bayesian_horse 4y ago
      PCs have tons of closed source firmware and BIOS. So no, PCs aren't open! Windows isn't open. But you could argue there are open alternatives to Windows.

foepys 4y ago

A problem of the .NET ecosystem is that there is no open source debugger for C#. The Microsoft-provided debugger has strict license terms that only allow it to be used in Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code. JetBrains needed to write their own debugger for their cross-platform IDE Rider. Luckily they already knew a lot about .NET to do this and it turned out very well but it's still not the official debugger and also not open source.

mikevm 4y ago
Why do you care about the debugger not being open source?
mmgutz 4y ago
Did JetBrains open source their debugger?
- exyi 4y ago
  No, they are equally "guilty". At least they don't brag how OSS friendly they are. There is open source debugger from Samsung (https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/ https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/), but it does not see much use.
  - josteink 4y ago
    > There is open source debugger from Samsung (https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/ https://github.com/Samsung/netcoredbg/), but it does not see much use. If you want to debug C# from Emacs, it’s the only choice AFAIK.
  - oaiey 4y ago
    To be fair: that is their sole income: dev tools.
dogma1138 4y ago
So write your own? That’s kind of the whole point of an open system.
4y ago