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> Very rough guesses on labor: figure the two pilots are making $100k/year Fuel costs still outweigh labour, but a captain on a 767 makes more than double that

> Very rough guesses on labor: figure the two pilots are making $100k/year Fuel costs still outweigh labour, but a captain on a 767 makes more than double that (~$220,000-$250,000 USD or thereabouts). A first officer would be looking at $120,000ish, I think?

KennyBlanken 4y ago
I used the average airline pilot salary according to glassdoor. I doubled all the labor costs to account for non-wage expenses. I'm sorry that wasn't good enough for you in a comment where I repeatedly qualified things as "back of the envelope" and "very rough" and so on, and made it clear I picked one particular model out of the blue. ...and the difference between fuel and labor was an order of magnitude, which more than answered the parent commenter. Also, pilot seniority / pay varies with the route and schedule, not airplane model.
- msbarnett 4y ago
  > I'm sorry that wasn't good enough for you in a comment where I repeatedly qualified things as "back of the envelope" and "very rough" and so on, and made it clear I picked one particular model out of the blue. Dude, I was just adding information for the unaware reading this thread, you can unnail yourself from that cross. It wasn’t an attack. > Also, pilot seniority / pay varies with the route and schedule, not airplane model. It varies by seniority and model they’re checked out on. Model they are qualified on determines the routes they can bid on - because you recertify every 6 months in simulator on your model, it’s not really possible to maintain a bunch of different active certifications and fly routes with different models routinely, so your model determines your pay. Source: close family member has been a commercial airline pilot for decades and has been actively involved in union negotiations.
  - prawn 4y ago
    Is this a recent development where people take a reply to by-default be an argument rather than sometimes just adding to discussion? I've seen it a few times on HN in the last year.
    - iso1631 4y ago
      No, it's been that way since Eternal September
cft 4y ago
Plus the cost of the airplane (8x for A350?) divided by its lifetime in hours

KennyBlanken 4y ago

I used the average airline pilot salary according to glassdoor. I doubled all the labor costs to account for non-wage expenses. I'm sorry that wasn't good enough for you in a comment where I repeatedly qualified things as "back of the envelope" and "very rough" and so on, and made it clear I picked one particular model out of the blue. ...and the difference between fuel and labor was an order of magnitude, which more than answered the parent commenter. Also, pilot seniority / pay varies with the route and schedule, not airplane model.

msbarnett 4y ago
> I'm sorry that wasn't good enough for you in a comment where I repeatedly qualified things as "back of the envelope" and "very rough" and so on, and made it clear I picked one particular model out of the blue. Dude, I was just adding information for the unaware reading this thread, you can unnail yourself from that cross. It wasn’t an attack. > Also, pilot seniority / pay varies with the route and schedule, not airplane model. It varies by seniority and model they’re checked out on. Model they are qualified on determines the routes they can bid on - because you recertify every 6 months in simulator on your model, it’s not really possible to maintain a bunch of different active certifications and fly routes with different models routinely, so your model determines your pay. Source: close family member has been a commercial airline pilot for decades and has been actively involved in union negotiations.
- prawn 4y ago
  Is this a recent development where people take a reply to by-default be an argument rather than sometimes just adding to discussion? I've seen it a few times on HN in the last year.
  - iso1631 4y ago
    No, it's been that way since Eternal September

cft 4y ago

Plus the cost of the airplane (8x for A350?) divided by its lifetime in hours