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Infantry disperse and hide. Tanks really struggle to do either.

by chrisseaton 4y ago

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
Which is why you screen tanks with infantry.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Not sure what you think a screen is... but it doesn't hide anything. A screen is about finding, not hiding.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    Yes, exactly. The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry ATGM groups. Everything that makes enemy infantry with ATGMs more effective tank hunters makes infantry screening the tanks more effective at countering them.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry Then you mean the infantry screen the enemy infantry from the tanks. You screen the threat, not what you're protecting.
      - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
        There's no point in screening the threat where there is nothing to be threatened, so in practice screening moves with the formation. But in any case, it seems you just want to double down on that fine hnews tradition of utterly valueless semantic quibbling, which I will not participate in further.
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        > utterly valueless semantic quibbling They're technical terms - entirely different tactical actions. You're confusing a screen with a guard or covering force. If you asked someone to screen and really you mean cover or guard, you've fucked up.
        meragrin_ 4y ago
        > They're technical terms - entirely different tactical actions. Right here! This is so close to what I was talking about. You might refer to the specific field the are technical terms in. > You're confusing a screen with a guard or covering force. Nah, likely a non-professional.
      - meragrin_ 4y ago
        There is nothing wrong with "The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry". Screening is just the act of keeping two things separated. It does not matter which side of the from they appear. Either way is correct. If you want to go the protection route, "The infantry protect the tanks from enemy infantry" is obviously intended over "The infantry protect the enemy infantry from the tanks".
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        > There is nothing wrong with "The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry". Screening is just the act of keeping two things separated. It does not matter which side of the from they appear. Either way is correct. It isn’t! I’m a professional in this field. You're confusing a screen with a guard or cover force. Different tactical actions.
        meragrin_ 4y ago
        > It isn’t! It is to the average person! > I’m a professional in this field. Good for you! Most of us are not professionals in this field and are using average people language. Adjusting to your audience is a thing. If it is wrong in professional speak, just realize you are not likely talking to other professionals and mention that something has a specific meaning in your field. People will just take that tidbit of information.
dragontamer 4y ago
https://imgur.com/tk10YHN.jpg https://imgur.com/tk10YHN.jpg Do you think you would be able to see this tank if it were 3000 meters away? Because the tank commander, with his set of night vision / thermal vision binoculars sees you. --------- If that tank commander closes the hatch and ducks down, you wont see him at all. In full hide position, the tank commander will only reveal himself and his tank when a nearby infantry asks for support. Of course, tank commanders want to see the battlefield for themselves and will stick their heads out like that unless they think there is an eminent danger. -------- At 3000 meters, you can't hear the tanks, and you can't see them in hide position either. They move around the battlefield at 50km/hr all terrain, so they don't follow roads or well trodden paths either. And the tank is absolutely lethal at this range in a way that no other weapon is comparable to. Even sniper bullets and rockets are far far slower than tank shells.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  That tank squadron will have spent 24 hours digging into that position, if the engineer support was even available! An infanteer achieves the same level of concealment much more easily.
  - dragontamer 4y ago
    Or maybe the tank used its 50km/hr engine *finding* a suitable, natural defilade. When you're on the attack, you often don't have time to dig in and instead have to make due with the natural terrain. Tanks will reach those natural slopes and enter hide position faster than infantry.

Infantry disperse and hide. Tanks really struggle to do either.

jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago

Which is why you screen tanks with infantry.

chrisseaton 4y ago
Not sure what you think a screen is... but it doesn't hide anything. A screen is about finding, not hiding.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  Yes, exactly. The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry ATGM groups. Everything that makes enemy infantry with ATGMs more effective tank hunters makes infantry screening the tanks more effective at countering them.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry Then you mean the infantry screen the enemy infantry from the tanks. You screen the threat, not what you're protecting.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
      There's no point in screening the threat where there is nothing to be threatened, so in practice screening moves with the formation. But in any case, it seems you just want to double down on that fine hnews tradition of utterly valueless semantic quibbling, which I will not participate in further.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        > utterly valueless semantic quibbling They're technical terms - entirely different tactical actions. You're confusing a screen with a guard or covering force. If you asked someone to screen and really you mean cover or guard, you've fucked up.
        meragrin_ 4y ago
        > They're technical terms - entirely different tactical actions. Right here! This is so close to what I was talking about. You might refer to the specific field the are technical terms in. > You're confusing a screen with a guard or covering force. Nah, likely a non-professional.
    - meragrin_ 4y ago
      There is nothing wrong with "The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry". Screening is just the act of keeping two things separated. It does not matter which side of the from they appear. Either way is correct. If you want to go the protection route, "The infantry protect the tanks from enemy infantry" is obviously intended over "The infantry protect the enemy infantry from the tanks".
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        > There is nothing wrong with "The infantry screen the tanks from enemy infantry". Screening is just the act of keeping two things separated. It does not matter which side of the from they appear. Either way is correct. It isn’t! I’m a professional in this field. You're confusing a screen with a guard or cover force. Different tactical actions.
        meragrin_ 4y ago
        > It isn’t! It is to the average person! > I’m a professional in this field. Good for you! Most of us are not professionals in this field and are using average people language. Adjusting to your audience is a thing. If it is wrong in professional speak, just realize you are not likely talking to other professionals and mention that something has a specific meaning in your field. People will just take that tidbit of information.

dragontamer 4y ago

https://imgur.com/tk10YHN.jpg https://imgur.com/tk10YHN.jpg Do you think you would be able to see this tank if it were 3000 meters away? Because the tank commander, with his set of night vision / thermal vision binoculars sees you. --------- If that tank commander closes the hatch and ducks down, you wont see him at all. In full hide position, the tank commander will only reveal himself and his tank when a nearby infantry asks for support. Of course, tank commanders want to see the battlefield for themselves and will stick their heads out like that unless they think there is an eminent danger. -------- At 3000 meters, you can't hear the tanks, and you can't see them in hide position either. They move around the battlefield at 50km/hr all terrain, so they don't follow roads or well trodden paths either. And the tank is absolutely lethal at this range in a way that no other weapon is comparable to. Even sniper bullets and rockets are far far slower than tank shells.

chrisseaton 4y ago
That tank squadron will have spent 24 hours digging into that position, if the engineer support was even available! An infanteer achieves the same level of concealment much more easily.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  Or maybe the tank used its 50km/hr engine *finding* a suitable, natural defilade. When you're on the attack, you often don't have time to dig in and instead have to make due with the natural terrain. Tanks will reach those natural slopes and enter hide position faster than infantry.