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In most cases, ketogenic diets don’t result in actually reaching and sustaining kerosine. It would be best to measure levels, though even that isn’t extremely p

In most cases, ketogenic diets don’t result in actually reaching and sustaining kerosine. It would be best to measure levels, though even that isn’t extremely precise. Diets in general also tend toward caloric deficit, resulting in weight loss. Ketogenic diets are used to treat epileptic seizures but haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body. YMMV just be safe.

XFrequentist 4y ago
> haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body How's the "long-term glucose surplus" control group doing? (Kind of kidding, but it's not obvious why the "less exogenous glucose" condition would be a priori the risky one!)
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Spivak 4y ago
But that's every diet, they're all CICO at the end of the day, but different people need different tricks to get there. Being around people doing different diets the difference seems to be how your body in particular signals hunger. * For my friends that find Keto effective it seem their bodies seem to find fat/protein super satiating. * For my friends that find volume eating effective it seems like their hunger is more triggered on "stuff in stomach" where I can't stand that feeling. * For my friends that like IF their hunger seems to be time based. The common element for my IF friends is that they started their journey very overweight and so it's been years since they were actually hungry. * For me and my other ED friends we all seem to deal with hunger by getting over the initial pang and then just not eating until our bodies give up trying and then just coast on that. Obviously don't do this.
- passivate 4y ago
  You're 100% correct. Its mostly about finding a system that works for you. As a format fat person I have internalized the fact that my body's hunger signal is broken and that 'eat when you are hungry' leads to weight gain for me. Focusing on the CO part of CICO, especially non exercise expenditure of energy has helped me keep my weight in check.
- yourapostasy 4y ago
  There is very little research on satiety and practically applying findings into the real world, but this is very slowly changing fortunately. Everyone saying "it's just CICO, duh!" sounds to me like they're telling someone suffering through clinical depression, "it's just your perspective, duh!". They're describing the "how" without supplying the "why", thinking the map is the territory in a shallow analysis. The world is more interesting than that, fortunately.

XFrequentist 4y ago

> haven’t otherwise been studied in large enough populations to understand the ramifications of long-term glucose deficits in the human body How's the "long-term glucose surplus" control group doing? (Kind of kidding, but it's not obvious why the "less exogenous glucose" condition would be a priori the risky one!)

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Spivak 4y ago

But that's every diet, they're all CICO at the end of the day, but different people need different tricks to get there. Being around people doing different diets the difference seems to be how your body in particular signals hunger. * For my friends that find Keto effective it seem their bodies seem to find fat/protein super satiating. * For my friends that find volume eating effective it seems like their hunger is more triggered on "stuff in stomach" where I can't stand that feeling. * For my friends that like IF their hunger seems to be time based. The common element for my IF friends is that they started their journey very overweight and so it's been years since they were actually hungry. * For me and my other ED friends we all seem to deal with hunger by getting over the initial pang and then just not eating until our bodies give up trying and then just coast on that. Obviously don't do this.

passivate 4y ago
You're 100% correct. Its mostly about finding a system that works for you. As a format fat person I have internalized the fact that my body's hunger signal is broken and that 'eat when you are hungry' leads to weight gain for me. Focusing on the CO part of CICO, especially non exercise expenditure of energy has helped me keep my weight in check.
yourapostasy 4y ago
There is very little research on satiety and practically applying findings into the real world, but this is very slowly changing fortunately. Everyone saying "it's just CICO, duh!" sounds to me like they're telling someone suffering through clinical depression, "it's just your perspective, duh!". They're describing the "how" without supplying the "why", thinking the map is the territory in a shallow analysis. The world is more interesting than that, fortunately.