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No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. The problem is that t

No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. The problem is that too much of the GOP base actually wants that obstructionism. Now, granted, the Democrats do have a big problem with admitting that the game has changed and changing how they do things to take that into account, but personally, I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead?

wolverine876 4y ago
> No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. That's what the Dems tell themselves, but everyone know it's BS - that's why everyone is so anxious and stressed, why it seems that the world is going crazy. We are in a crisis and our leaders are hiding their heads in the sand, telling us - against all reality - that they will proceed like everything is normal. It's just a way for the leaders to stay in their safe space (legislation) and not get into the political fight, which is all that matters at this point - nothing can happen until that problem is solved, and our society and freedom will continue to be destroyed. The Democratic leaders are cowards - just like military commanders who avoid engaging the enemy, with every rationalization in the book. The enemy is advancing, they are over the next hill, you need to fight (lawfully, politically, peacefully, with integrity) - and WIN. Is that too strong? That it seems strong shows how backward the Dems are. There is no doubt, they need to fight and must win, but they aren't even in the mindset of fighting. 'Trying' is for losers. The Dems are content to lose. > I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. Showing who? Who in the public knows what bills they've introduced (HN is a rarefied population)? Who even knows what they've passed? What effect does this have on the crisis? Legislation is their safe space. It's like the insurgency has broken into the Capitol and the Democratic leaders say, 'Let's introduce bills!' And don't forget, 'but only introduce bills that don't risk any conflict or confrontation - we don't want any of that!' (like the gun control bill). > What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead? Here's what they could do: Don't compromise on the gun control bill, push for the really needed measures and hold it over the GOP all the way through November. Hammer on the GOP's inaction, their sociopathic response to these murders. Keep repeating it, keep challenging them publicly, make the GOP leaders piss in their pants fearing the next mass shooting. Then we might get real, sane gun regulations (no, not taking away everyone's guns), by voting out the obstructionists. Instead, the hapless Dems gave the GOP a major victory, making the GOP look reasonable and non-obstructionist, and demonstrating again to the public that the GOP holds the real power and must be appeased - and that the Dems are the appeasers. Unbelievable - and entirely expected.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  What happens when the Democrats enact these laws, and the shootings continue? The only way to stop these shootings is to make it very hard to get and keep weapons. That’s how every other country solved this. In the 1990s, there was a ban on assault weapons. Studies showed these laws helped a bit, but weren’t game changers. Same is true with everything being proposed: background checks, “red flag laws,” etc. Realistically, we need to take away peoples guns to stop mass shooters.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    Here's another way Democrats avoid confronting the problem: Claim powerlessness. 'Powerless' really attracts voters too!
    - pyuser583 4y ago
      As it stands, both parties are pretty powerless.

wolverine876 4y ago

> No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. That's what the Dems tell themselves, but everyone know it's BS - that's why everyone is so anxious and stressed, why it seems that the world is going crazy. We are in a crisis and our leaders are hiding their heads in the sand, telling us - against all reality - that they will proceed like everything is normal. It's just a way for the leaders to stay in their safe space (legislation) and not get into the political fight, which is all that matters at this point - nothing can happen until that problem is solved, and our society and freedom will continue to be destroyed. The Democratic leaders are cowards - just like military commanders who avoid engaging the enemy, with every rationalization in the book. The enemy is advancing, they are over the next hill, you need to fight (lawfully, politically, peacefully, with integrity) - and WIN. Is that too strong? That it seems strong shows how backward the Dems are. There is no doubt, they need to fight and must win, but they aren't even in the mindset of fighting. 'Trying' is for losers. The Dems are content to lose. > I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. Showing who? Who in the public knows what bills they've introduced (HN is a rarefied population)? Who even knows what they've passed? What effect does this have on the crisis? Legislation is their safe space. It's like the insurgency has broken into the Capitol and the Democratic leaders say, 'Let's introduce bills!' And don't forget, 'but only introduce bills that don't risk any conflict or confrontation - we don't want any of that!' (like the gun control bill). > What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead? Here's what they could do: Don't compromise on the gun control bill, push for the really needed measures and hold it over the GOP all the way through November. Hammer on the GOP's inaction, their sociopathic response to these murders. Keep repeating it, keep challenging them publicly, make the GOP leaders piss in their pants fearing the next mass shooting. Then we might get real, sane gun regulations (no, not taking away everyone's guns), by voting out the obstructionists. Instead, the hapless Dems gave the GOP a major victory, making the GOP look reasonable and non-obstructionist, and demonstrating again to the public that the GOP holds the real power and must be appeased - and that the Dems are the appeasers. Unbelievable - and entirely expected.

pyuser583 4y ago
What happens when the Democrats enact these laws, and the shootings continue? The only way to stop these shootings is to make it very hard to get and keep weapons. That’s how every other country solved this. In the 1990s, there was a ban on assault weapons. Studies showed these laws helped a bit, but weren’t game changers. Same is true with everything being proposed: background checks, “red flag laws,” etc. Realistically, we need to take away peoples guns to stop mass shooters.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  Here's another way Democrats avoid confronting the problem: Claim powerlessness. 'Powerless' really attracts voters too!
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    As it stands, both parties are pretty powerless.