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What hope does this have of passing? The Democrats act as if they live in a psychotic delusion: as if the GOP won't disrupt this attempt and everything else the

What hope does this have of passing? The Democrats act as if they live in a psychotic delusion: as if the GOP won't disrupt this attempt and everything else the Dems do, and as if the Dems were not even aware of that problem - not only not confronting it, but not even naming it, like it doesn't exist! The issue with privacy (and many other problem) is politics. The US has a critical political problem. There is a political problem to solve. Why would the GOP stop doing it if they keep gaining at the ballot box, and if the Democratic Party doesn't make them pay a price for it? Who would ever vote for a party that advertises it's haplessness?

ejb999 4y ago
Senator Warren loves to introduce bills, as far as she is concerned that is the only goal - very little of what she proposes ever goes anywhere, likely by design.
Gibbon1 4y ago
Well Warren's pissing off her fellow Democrats by submitting bills like this.
danaris 4y ago
No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. The problem is that too much of the GOP base actually wants that obstructionism. Now, granted, the Democrats do have a big problem with admitting that the game has changed and changing how they do things to take that into account, but personally, I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead?
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. That's what the Dems tell themselves, but everyone know it's BS - that's why everyone is so anxious and stressed, why it seems that the world is going crazy. We are in a crisis and our leaders are hiding their heads in the sand, telling us - against all reality - that they will proceed like everything is normal. It's just a way for the leaders to stay in their safe space (legislation) and not get into the political fight, which is all that matters at this point - nothing can happen until that problem is solved, and our society and freedom will continue to be destroyed. The Democratic leaders are cowards - just like military commanders who avoid engaging the enemy, with every rationalization in the book. The enemy is advancing, they are over the next hill, you need to fight (lawfully, politically, peacefully, with integrity) - and WIN. Is that too strong? That it seems strong shows how backward the Dems are. There is no doubt, they need to fight and must win, but they aren't even in the mindset of fighting. 'Trying' is for losers. The Dems are content to lose. > I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. Showing who? Who in the public knows what bills they've introduced (HN is a rarefied population)? Who even knows what they've passed? What effect does this have on the crisis? Legislation is their safe space. It's like the insurgency has broken into the Capitol and the Democratic leaders say, 'Let's introduce bills!' And don't forget, 'but only introduce bills that don't risk any conflict or confrontation - we don't want any of that!' (like the gun control bill). > What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead? Here's what they could do: Don't compromise on the gun control bill, push for the really needed measures and hold it over the GOP all the way through November. Hammer on the GOP's inaction, their sociopathic response to these murders. Keep repeating it, keep challenging them publicly, make the GOP leaders piss in their pants fearing the next mass shooting. Then we might get real, sane gun regulations (no, not taking away everyone's guns), by voting out the obstructionists. Instead, the hapless Dems gave the GOP a major victory, making the GOP look reasonable and non-obstructionist, and demonstrating again to the public that the GOP holds the real power and must be appeased - and that the Dems are the appeasers. Unbelievable - and entirely expected.
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    What happens when the Democrats enact these laws, and the shootings continue? The only way to stop these shootings is to make it very hard to get and keep weapons. That’s how every other country solved this. In the 1990s, there was a ban on assault weapons. Studies showed these laws helped a bit, but weren’t game changers. Same is true with everything being proposed: background checks, “red flag laws,” etc. Realistically, we need to take away peoples guns to stop mass shooters.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      Here's another way Democrats avoid confronting the problem: Claim powerlessness. 'Powerless' really attracts voters too!
      - pyuser583 4y ago
        As it stands, both parties are pretty powerless.
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago
Biden's administration is a lot of the same people that made up Obama's administration. They've had years to think about what they'd do differently, and most of them decided that trying to negotiate in good faith with Republicans was a mistake. The Republican playbook has been to block everything for any reason, then when election time rolls around, loudly proclaim "the Democrats can't get anything done, and they're unwilling to compromise." It's a strategy that works, and it works well. In response, today's Democrats are drafting up bills that have broad public support (even among Republican voters), and forcing the Republican congresspeople to put their names down voting against it. As we get closer to midterms, they're going to harp on this point endlessly: Republicans are nothing but obstructionists that prevent anything from getting done. Personally, I think it's a better strategy, but I also think they're fighting the last war. They might be better off trying to find tiny cracks in the Republican ranks and then magnifying them.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  > I think it's a better strategy It's completely ineffective! Better than what? What has it achieved? > today's Democrats are drafting up bills that have broad public support (even among Republican voters), and forcing the Republican congresspeople to put their names down voting against it. This is a performance by insiders, for insiders. Few other people have any idea those bills exist, that the votes take place, or who voted what. And because the Democrats barely try to contest the public narrative - the foundation of the reactionary movement and GOP power - it's all spun to make the Dems look bad regardless. It is a strategy of people who only can think of legislation - like a ship captain who only will use the rudder, not the engine, the anchor, etc. It's so bizarrely focused on legislation, it's like the rest of the world doesn't exist. Really, the Dems are cowards and legislation is their safe space. They will not acknowledge the rest of the world. Did you read that they are 'tired' of dealing with voting rights?

ejb999 4y ago

Senator Warren loves to introduce bills, as far as she is concerned that is the only goal - very little of what she proposes ever goes anywhere, likely by design.

Gibbon1 4y ago

Well Warren's pissing off her fellow Democrats by submitting bills like this.

danaris 4y ago

No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. The problem is that too much of the GOP base actually wants that obstructionism. Now, granted, the Democrats do have a big problem with admitting that the game has changed and changing how they do things to take that into account, but personally, I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead?

wolverine876 4y ago
> No, the Democrats act as if they are there to govern, and force the GOP to admit over and over that they are there to prevent governance. That's what the Dems tell themselves, but everyone know it's BS - that's why everyone is so anxious and stressed, why it seems that the world is going crazy. We are in a crisis and our leaders are hiding their heads in the sand, telling us - against all reality - that they will proceed like everything is normal. It's just a way for the leaders to stay in their safe space (legislation) and not get into the political fight, which is all that matters at this point - nothing can happen until that problem is solved, and our society and freedom will continue to be destroyed. The Democratic leaders are cowards - just like military commanders who avoid engaging the enemy, with every rationalization in the book. The enemy is advancing, they are over the next hill, you need to fight (lawfully, politically, peacefully, with integrity) - and WIN. Is that too strong? That it seems strong shows how backward the Dems are. There is no doubt, they need to fight and must win, but they aren't even in the mindset of fighting. 'Trying' is for losers. The Dems are content to lose. > I believe continuing to introduce bills to try to genuinely address some of the problems in our country, thus showing that they do have the will and the ideas to continue governing, is something they absolutely should be doing even in this situation. Showing who? Who in the public knows what bills they've introduced (HN is a rarefied population)? Who even knows what they've passed? What effect does this have on the crisis? Legislation is their safe space. It's like the insurgency has broken into the Capitol and the Democratic leaders say, 'Let's introduce bills!' And don't forget, 'but only introduce bills that don't risk any conflict or confrontation - we don't want any of that!' (like the gun control bill). > What, exactly, would you propose the Democrats do instead? Here's what they could do: Don't compromise on the gun control bill, push for the really needed measures and hold it over the GOP all the way through November. Hammer on the GOP's inaction, their sociopathic response to these murders. Keep repeating it, keep challenging them publicly, make the GOP leaders piss in their pants fearing the next mass shooting. Then we might get real, sane gun regulations (no, not taking away everyone's guns), by voting out the obstructionists. Instead, the hapless Dems gave the GOP a major victory, making the GOP look reasonable and non-obstructionist, and demonstrating again to the public that the GOP holds the real power and must be appeased - and that the Dems are the appeasers. Unbelievable - and entirely expected.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  What happens when the Democrats enact these laws, and the shootings continue? The only way to stop these shootings is to make it very hard to get and keep weapons. That’s how every other country solved this. In the 1990s, there was a ban on assault weapons. Studies showed these laws helped a bit, but weren’t game changers. Same is true with everything being proposed: background checks, “red flag laws,” etc. Realistically, we need to take away peoples guns to stop mass shooters.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    Here's another way Democrats avoid confronting the problem: Claim powerlessness. 'Powerless' really attracts voters too!
    - pyuser583 4y ago
      As it stands, both parties are pretty powerless.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 4y ago

Biden's administration is a lot of the same people that made up Obama's administration. They've had years to think about what they'd do differently, and most of them decided that trying to negotiate in good faith with Republicans was a mistake. The Republican playbook has been to block everything for any reason, then when election time rolls around, loudly proclaim "the Democrats can't get anything done, and they're unwilling to compromise." It's a strategy that works, and it works well. In response, today's Democrats are drafting up bills that have broad public support (even among Republican voters), and forcing the Republican congresspeople to put their names down voting against it. As we get closer to midterms, they're going to harp on this point endlessly: Republicans are nothing but obstructionists that prevent anything from getting done. Personally, I think it's a better strategy, but I also think they're fighting the last war. They might be better off trying to find tiny cracks in the Republican ranks and then magnifying them.

wolverine876 4y ago
> I think it's a better strategy It's completely ineffective! Better than what? What has it achieved? > today's Democrats are drafting up bills that have broad public support (even among Republican voters), and forcing the Republican congresspeople to put their names down voting against it. This is a performance by insiders, for insiders. Few other people have any idea those bills exist, that the votes take place, or who voted what. And because the Democrats barely try to contest the public narrative - the foundation of the reactionary movement and GOP power - it's all spun to make the Dems look bad regardless. It is a strategy of people who only can think of legislation - like a ship captain who only will use the rudder, not the engine, the anchor, etc. It's so bizarrely focused on legislation, it's like the rest of the world doesn't exist. Really, the Dems are cowards and legislation is their safe space. They will not acknowledge the rest of the world. Did you read that they are 'tired' of dealing with voting rights?