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What I got was "Humans and Mice have different results on Keto". So is keto good or bad for humans?

AmericanChopper 4y ago
Probably the biggest keto advocate/promoter is a guy called Jimmy Moore. Google some photos of him prior to considering whether you want to take his weight loss advice.
- mbrodersen 4y ago
  Jimmy Moore is a joke. Perhaps Google “low carb down under” instead for much healthier looking researchers (and actual doctors) applying keto diets in their practices :)
  - AmericanChopper 4y ago
    I agree that Jimmy Moore is a joke. But he accurately represents a very mainstream interpretation of a keto diet. He’s only as much of a joke at the diet he advocates is.
    - lbarrera94 4y ago
      I went on keto for 3 months and was surprised how great I felt. I understand some might be placebo but beneficial nonetheless. Pro's: - Sustained energy all day (no crashes) - No cravings (didnt feel "hangry") - Sleep schedule improved (REM sleep) Con's: - Frequented the bathroom a lot more - Couldn't lift as heavy in the gym - Scheduling meals was a pain
      - AmericanChopper 4y ago
        Keto is just like IF in the sense that it’s only as beneficial as the caloric deficit you achieve. All of the benefits you mentioned are what you would receive from simply having a normal balanced diet, and you wouldn’t have to have any of the cons. Which include a surprisingly high level of muscle catabolism, and huge cortisol spikes while your body adapts (which people call “keto flu”). The muscle loss is especially bad because in addition to being something most people don’t want, it also lowers your BMR and makes weight management even more difficult. It’s also very hard to hit all your micros on a keto diet, which is one of several reason that it’s especially unhealthy to do for a extended periods. If you’re looking for a crash diet (which isn’t a great idea to begin with), there are easier and healthier ones than keto. There are no scenarios where it would be the best choice, and that’s if you’re doing one of the more sensible versions of the diet, opposed to the even more insane unlimited-fat-calories versions.
        deterministic 4y ago
        Nothing you claim is actually supported by evidence. The low carb diet is the most researched diet in history. I recommend the “low carb down under” YouTube channel and especially Paul Mason for facts based on research. I have gained a lot of muscle and have had no “keto flue” on a low carb diet. My cholesterol and blood pressure has improved and I have lost 9cm around my waist. My doctor is telling me to “keep doing what I am doing” because my blood results are “superb”. However if you do low carb wrong/unhealthily (not enough vitamins/electrolytes for example) then you will get keto flue, cramps etc. The same way that any other diet done unhealthily will be bad for you. Low carb or not. You can do Vegan and high carb really badly and end up sick/unhealthy. A bad high carb diet is the reason why we have an explosion in Type 2 diabetics for example. However that is of course not evidence against those diets. Just a confirmation that anything done incorrectly won’t work as intended.
        AmericanChopper 4y ago
        Aside from some highly dubious claims, your biggest error here is thinking that all low carb diets are keto diets. A keto diet restricts both carb and protein intake. It’s 80% or more calories from fat. Carbs OR protein in excess of that will suppress ketosis.
        deterministic 4y ago
        You are right that there are many types of low carb diets. Some are zero carbs others are perhaps 50g or 100g. Some are using a 4:1 fat to protein ratio and the more “mainstream” low carb diets are using a 1:1 ratio. Some are calories restricted, others are not. The one I have chosen to use is the 50g carbs and a 1:1 fat:protein with a 500kcal deficit to loose weight. It works great. Also be aware that there are many high carb diets out there. Most of them are extremely dangerous. Leading to Type 2 diabetics, blindness, amputations, fatty liver, hypoglycaemia, heart problems and (ultimately) an early death. However some high carb diets are fine if done right. So I think we can agree that we need to be very specific when we talk about diets and emphasise what is needed for it to be actually healthy.
        4y ago
      - deterministic 4y ago
        I have gained muscle on a low carb diet so I suspect you might be doing it wrong. I recommend the “low carb down under” YouTube channel and especially Paul Mason as a good guide to how you do it right. Another good source is Prof. Ben Bikman who is at the learning edge of low carb diet research. He also has a number of good talks on YouTube.

Probably the biggest keto advocate/promoter is a guy called Jimmy Moore. Google some photos of him prior to considering whether you want to take his weight loss advice.

mbrodersen 4y ago
Jimmy Moore is a joke. Perhaps Google “low carb down under” instead for much healthier looking researchers (and actual doctors) applying keto diets in their practices :)
- AmericanChopper 4y ago
  I agree that Jimmy Moore is a joke. But he accurately represents a very mainstream interpretation of a keto diet. He’s only as much of a joke at the diet he advocates is.
  - lbarrera94 4y ago
    I went on keto for 3 months and was surprised how great I felt. I understand some might be placebo but beneficial nonetheless. Pro's: - Sustained energy all day (no crashes) - No cravings (didnt feel "hangry") - Sleep schedule improved (REM sleep) Con's: - Frequented the bathroom a lot more - Couldn't lift as heavy in the gym - Scheduling meals was a pain
    - AmericanChopper 4y ago
      Keto is just like IF in the sense that it’s only as beneficial as the caloric deficit you achieve. All of the benefits you mentioned are what you would receive from simply having a normal balanced diet, and you wouldn’t have to have any of the cons. Which include a surprisingly high level of muscle catabolism, and huge cortisol spikes while your body adapts (which people call “keto flu”). The muscle loss is especially bad because in addition to being something most people don’t want, it also lowers your BMR and makes weight management even more difficult. It’s also very hard to hit all your micros on a keto diet, which is one of several reason that it’s especially unhealthy to do for a extended periods. If you’re looking for a crash diet (which isn’t a great idea to begin with), there are easier and healthier ones than keto. There are no scenarios where it would be the best choice, and that’s if you’re doing one of the more sensible versions of the diet, opposed to the even more insane unlimited-fat-calories versions.
      - deterministic 4y ago
        Nothing you claim is actually supported by evidence. The low carb diet is the most researched diet in history. I recommend the “low carb down under” YouTube channel and especially Paul Mason for facts based on research. I have gained a lot of muscle and have had no “keto flue” on a low carb diet. My cholesterol and blood pressure has improved and I have lost 9cm around my waist. My doctor is telling me to “keep doing what I am doing” because my blood results are “superb”. However if you do low carb wrong/unhealthily (not enough vitamins/electrolytes for example) then you will get keto flue, cramps etc. The same way that any other diet done unhealthily will be bad for you. Low carb or not. You can do Vegan and high carb really badly and end up sick/unhealthy. A bad high carb diet is the reason why we have an explosion in Type 2 diabetics for example. However that is of course not evidence against those diets. Just a confirmation that anything done incorrectly won’t work as intended.
        AmericanChopper 4y ago
        Aside from some highly dubious claims, your biggest error here is thinking that all low carb diets are keto diets. A keto diet restricts both carb and protein intake. It’s 80% or more calories from fat. Carbs OR protein in excess of that will suppress ketosis.
        deterministic 4y ago
        You are right that there are many types of low carb diets. Some are zero carbs others are perhaps 50g or 100g. Some are using a 4:1 fat to protein ratio and the more “mainstream” low carb diets are using a 1:1 ratio. Some are calories restricted, others are not. The one I have chosen to use is the 50g carbs and a 1:1 fat:protein with a 500kcal deficit to loose weight. It works great. Also be aware that there are many high carb diets out there. Most of them are extremely dangerous. Leading to Type 2 diabetics, blindness, amputations, fatty liver, hypoglycaemia, heart problems and (ultimately) an early death. However some high carb diets are fine if done right. So I think we can agree that we need to be very specific when we talk about diets and emphasise what is needed for it to be actually healthy.
        4y ago
    - deterministic 4y ago
      I have gained muscle on a low carb diet so I suspect you might be doing it wrong. I recommend the “low carb down under” YouTube channel and especially Paul Mason as a good guide to how you do it right. Another good source is Prof. Ben Bikman who is at the learning edge of low carb diet research. He also has a number of good talks on YouTube.