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We as a society have one class where we accept “separate but equal” which is gender. White identifying as black should have no impact on day to day life, as we

by RC_ITR 4y ago

We as a society have one class where we accept “separate but equal” which is gender. White identifying as black should have no impact on day to day life, as we strive as a society to not discriminate on race. Male identifying as female does have an impact on day to day life, since we do allow for some amount of gender based discrimination. So the solution is “either make all bathrooms, etc unisex or take trans peoples issues seriously.” But most conservatives obviously want neither.

willcipriano 4y ago
For me it makes me question a number of assertions we have. Why not just have stalls in bathrooms so everyone can have privacy? Why is gender on your drivers license at all? Etc.
- banannaise 4y ago
  Fun fact: gender was not indicated on United States passports until the 1970s, when it was added to combat a perceived rise in androgyny. In other words, it exists to enforce gender roles, not as an actual identifier. edit: here's a source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-rise-of-androgyny-changed-our-passports https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-rise-of-androgyny-chan...
grajam_hons 4y ago
I find it intriguing how this has become part of the conservative political zeitgeist, when it's an issue that previously was the sole preserve of left-wing radical feminists. And one they have been battling for many decades now. Of course, the conservatives approach it from an entirely different point of view to the feminists, for whom this a fundamental women's rights issue. But it's interesting how they can all reach roughly the same conclusion from entirely different sets of principles.
- RC_ITR 4y ago
  Yeah, politics are a weird mix of 'we disagree that this is even a problem' (i.e. abortion rights) and 'we disagree about the solution to this problem' (i.e. trans/women's rights) ^That framework and the hypocrisy it breeds is honestly 99% of the humor on The Daily Show and the Fox News knock-offs of The Daily Show (Greg Guttfield etc.)

by RC_ITR 4y ago

willcipriano 4y ago

For me it makes me question a number of assertions we have. Why not just have stalls in bathrooms so everyone can have privacy? Why is gender on your drivers license at all? Etc.

banannaise 4y ago
Fun fact: gender was not indicated on United States passports until the 1970s, when it was added to combat a perceived rise in androgyny. In other words, it exists to enforce gender roles, not as an actual identifier. edit: here's a source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-rise-of-androgyny-changed-our-passports https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-rise-of-androgyny-chan...

grajam_hons 4y ago

I find it intriguing how this has become part of the conservative political zeitgeist, when it's an issue that previously was the sole preserve of left-wing radical feminists. And one they have been battling for many decades now. Of course, the conservatives approach it from an entirely different point of view to the feminists, for whom this a fundamental women's rights issue. But it's interesting how they can all reach roughly the same conclusion from entirely different sets of principles.

RC_ITR 4y ago
Yeah, politics are a weird mix of 'we disagree that this is even a problem' (i.e. abortion rights) and 'we disagree about the solution to this problem' (i.e. trans/women's rights) ^That framework and the hypocrisy it breeds is honestly 99% of the humor on The Daily Show and the Fox News knock-offs of The Daily Show (Greg Guttfield etc.)