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How is this belief surfaced? Is the queer person being threatened by the coworker? Why does it need to be treated differently than any other death threat? I kn

How is this belief surfaced? Is the queer person being threatened by the coworker? Why does it need to be treated differently than any other death threat? I know quite a few high profile queer tech leaders that are constantly posting negative things about cis white men on Twitter. Am I expected to work with them when they're clearly not tolerant of me based on my immutable characteristics?

woodruffw 4y ago
Random people on Twitter can hurt your feelings, but they don't have access to internal systems or private information that can harm your welfare or impair your ability to get your work done. You're not expected to work with anyone you don't work with.
- stedaniels 4y ago
  That's a pretty narrow view of society. Many people work with people they don't want to, don't like, hate, despise even.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    Human beings are capable of all kinds of petty emotions for all kinds of petty reasons, most of which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As a society, we recognize that prejudice, especially against the vulnerable, is particularly bad.
eropple 4y ago
It is telling that, when a yes-or-no question is offered, the regressive tech contingent cannot stop themselves from posting and yet also can't answer the question. To address the but-for in better faith than it deserves: as a cis white dude, I absolutely do not care what a tech leader says about much of anything. I do care what my co-workers say and believe, but my co-workers are not of a political, religious, or cultural persuasion that implies that I should be killed for being a cis white dude, and I would expect my employer to do something about it if that were the case. Wouldn't you? So, let's try again: queer people should be expected to work with those who believe that they should be killed for being queer. Yes or no?
- inawarminister 4y ago
- endymi0n 4y ago
  I guess it‘s more telling if people try to use rhetoric devices like trying to force charged, binary answers on a very nuanced, and definitely nonbinary topic. You like painting people into a corner, do you? Rhetoric question.
- Fargoan 4y ago
  Yes, if those opinions aren't talked about at work then it's irrelevant
- googlryas 4y ago
  Have you stopped beating your dog? Yes or no? > So, let's try again: queer people should be expected to work with those who believe that they should be killed for being queer. Yes or no? No. But what does this have to do with DEI programs? Is the expectation that people who want to kill queers all of the sudden see the light from a powerpoint provided by HR? Or do people who want to kill queers get so outraged by DEI programs that they quit? I think, in many workplaces, if you express the serious desire to kill a coworker, you will be fired, regardless if the reason is because of some protected class, or they just hate blue eyed people, or whatever.
- titanomachy 4y ago
  No. If someone has publicly said that they think queer people should be killed, or if they tell their coworkers that they believe that, most would consider that reasonable grounds for termination, and also likely against the law (depending on phrasing and jurisdiction.) However, I'm curious about this: "my co-workers are not of a political, religious, or cultural persuasion that implies I should be killed". If someone is a Muslim from Iran, is that sufficient evidence that they think queer people should be killed? If someone donated to a senator who is against immigration, is it sufficient evidence that they hate immigrants? The interesting and unstated part of the question is, how do we know what a person believes? What's the threshold of evidence needed to condemn someone as a bigot? And who should be making this call?

woodruffw 4y ago

Random people on Twitter can hurt your feelings, but they don't have access to internal systems or private information that can harm your welfare or impair your ability to get your work done. You're not expected to work with anyone you don't work with.

stedaniels 4y ago
That's a pretty narrow view of society. Many people work with people they don't want to, don't like, hate, despise even.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Human beings are capable of all kinds of petty emotions for all kinds of petty reasons, most of which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As a society, we recognize that prejudice, especially against the vulnerable, is particularly bad.

eropple 4y ago

It is telling that, when a yes-or-no question is offered, the regressive tech contingent cannot stop themselves from posting and yet also can't answer the question. To address the but-for in better faith than it deserves: as a cis white dude, I absolutely do not care what a tech leader says about much of anything. I do care what my co-workers say and believe, but my co-workers are not of a political, religious, or cultural persuasion that implies that I should be killed for being a cis white dude, and I would expect my employer to do something about it if that were the case. Wouldn't you? So, let's try again: queer people should be expected to work with those who believe that they should be killed for being queer. Yes or no?

inawarminister 4y ago
endymi0n 4y ago
I guess it‘s more telling if people try to use rhetoric devices like trying to force charged, binary answers on a very nuanced, and definitely nonbinary topic. You like painting people into a corner, do you? Rhetoric question.
Fargoan 4y ago
Yes, if those opinions aren't talked about at work then it's irrelevant
googlryas 4y ago
Have you stopped beating your dog? Yes or no? > So, let's try again: queer people should be expected to work with those who believe that they should be killed for being queer. Yes or no? No. But what does this have to do with DEI programs? Is the expectation that people who want to kill queers all of the sudden see the light from a powerpoint provided by HR? Or do people who want to kill queers get so outraged by DEI programs that they quit? I think, in many workplaces, if you express the serious desire to kill a coworker, you will be fired, regardless if the reason is because of some protected class, or they just hate blue eyed people, or whatever.
titanomachy 4y ago
No. If someone has publicly said that they think queer people should be killed, or if they tell their coworkers that they believe that, most would consider that reasonable grounds for termination, and also likely against the law (depending on phrasing and jurisdiction.) However, I'm curious about this: "my co-workers are not of a political, religious, or cultural persuasion that implies I should be killed". If someone is a Muslim from Iran, is that sufficient evidence that they think queer people should be killed? If someone donated to a senator who is against immigration, is it sufficient evidence that they hate immigrants? The interesting and unstated part of the question is, how do we know what a person believes? What's the threshold of evidence needed to condemn someone as a bigot? And who should be making this call?